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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so Chris O'Brien

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is back this week last week he was off

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trying to have some R&R but you ended up

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actually doing some work yeah I did it

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was a huge party many came many bands to

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coordinate videos to be shot recording

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audio recordings to be made and lots of

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gorgeous girls in slinky outfits I mean

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it was fun I worked pretty much the

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whole time but had a great time

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especially my last day that was out

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relaxing on the boat catching some Sun

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little R&R I was hoping to get a couple

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of Z's but oh I'm still catching up in

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some regard reminds me of the days I

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used to go on the convention circuit I

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go over to UFO conventions and I hope to

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get a few days relaxation and you end up

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going to the convention meeting up with

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people and they say hey we got a party

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here in this hotel room maybe meet up

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with us or we just hang out with a few

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people all night and by the time we got

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home having to go back to work and those

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days it wasn't always so easy no no and

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that was this past weekend with all the

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folks that turned out for the Skyfire

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summit up in Heber Arizona a good time

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was had by all

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I volunteered I helped park cars I was

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referred to by the organizer as her

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I'm not sure how I should take

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that Karen so an intimidating sort so I

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just you know rolled up my sleeves and

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apply little elbow grease on a couple of

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situations and hopefully by my presence

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was appreciated I didn't get myself into

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any at least obvious trouble so I I must

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have done pretty good

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well definitely tell us more about the

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event oh now this is the 40th

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anniversary of the Travis Walton

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right correct and we had a number of the

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original forest workers that were on the

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team the witnessed Travis's Cavalier

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movements of running out underneath the

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craft and getting zapped yeah there were

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a quite a number of notables James Fox

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and Tracy Torme were there talking about

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their 7 or what movie project I want to

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ask you before we go on the development

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of that film had been installed I don't

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know maybe for fundraising or something

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how's it going now and when is it going

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to be released is there a release

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timeframe well you know they're gonna

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kind of revamp and go back to I think at

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least I'm not I'm not really sure

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totally I can't really speak for them

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but but it appears like you know the

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expensive sort of create a whole

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fictitional eyes version of the story

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reenactments in other words

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well no but to actually weave some sort

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of dramatic story line through sure you

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know the 701 cases or whatever that

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remain classified as unidentified in

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project Lubich which is you know the

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whole idea of the movie but their vision

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for it was a little bit too far reaching

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I think they're pulling back and and

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going more with your conventional sort

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of reenactments you know documentary

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docudrama style which they were really

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trying to avoid but you know I think

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reality is kind of kicked in they've had

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a number of potential funding

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arrangements that have not completely

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panned out they've had quite a bit of

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funding up till now to get the project

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you know to where it is now but but they

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do need a lot of money for

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post-production and and finishing up the

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reenactments and in what have you you

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know again I'm not really privy to the

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insider information on all that at least

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I can't really speak for them I think

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you know the project needs to be

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presented to the public at its various

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phases by individuals who are part of

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the project I am not officially

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PR person for 701 by any stretch but you

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know I support their efforts known

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Tracie for many years over 20 years

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James I really appreciate his vision his

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you know visual acuity as a

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cinematographer and a filmmaker I think

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he's one of the best that we have in the

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realm the thing to bear in mind here too

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is that as we all know making a film a

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really good quality film it's very

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expensive yes you have these occasional

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things like a paranormal activity found

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footage kind of thing that could be done

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on the cheap but if you really want

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something with the best quality

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equipment and really good production

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values we're talking about some kind of

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multi-million dollar project and it's

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not easy to raise money even in the best

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of times and even when you get the money

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for something that looks like a a-list

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movie like the recent Steve Jobs movie

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with the Aaron Sorkin screenplay and

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everything that one costs over 30

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million to make and it bombed but so you

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know it's not easy and nothing scarin

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teens so we understand the difficulties

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and we wish them luck we should bring

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them on the show again in the near

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future and talk about 7:01 the movie

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anything else of interest from that

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event well when they went out to the

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actual site out in the woods over by the

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Mogollon Rim

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I guess initially the Thursday bus had

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to be canceled because of the snow

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Wednesday night so they rescheduled both

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buses to go out there on Sunday after

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the conference was officially over I did

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not go there I had too much to do I

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needed to get back but based on some

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photographs I saw on social media it

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looked like at least one of the buses

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got stuck from what I hear a couple did

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but that didn't dissuade people from you

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know having a good time out there at one

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of the most notorious locations in the

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annals of well definitely abductions but

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in the annals of ufology

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I think the Walton case has stood the

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test of time

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there's been quite a number of people

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that have come down against it over the

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years but I mean we we have not

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seen really any wiggle in the whole

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block of its just to me it's a

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monolithic case because it's never

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there's never been any chinks in the

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armor

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I mean foe class or whomever offering

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ten thousand dollars for someone who

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come out and say it was all a hoax but

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have to prove it the lie detector tests

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there's a lot about the case that a

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really iconic and I think deserve

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deserved the amount of attention that it

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gets you know when Travis or any of his

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family go off into that thousand yard

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stare

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it just it's strikes home definitely

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that man experienced something whether

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it was what people think it is

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ETS from other planets whatever you know

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I think the the writing is on the wall

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that there are many many more unanswered

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questions about the Walton case then we

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have answers for and that to me is a

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hallmark of a real case it is worthy of

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the attention and worthy of discussion

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so of course anything that relates to

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UFO abductions is troublesome because of

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the controversies and we won't back to

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the certain former history professor

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that was the subject of so much

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controversy in other words the support

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of cases gene the month before the

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Walton case we had the largest and only

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right along the rim there and then a

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month after the Walton case we have a

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very well documented in terms of my

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personal opinion case that occurred

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between which Wells and and the Zuni

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Reservation that features my close

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friend clifford mahooty and his family

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and to be there at the pueblo and be

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finally told after being in denial for

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35 years his father finally came forward

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and walked me through his recollections

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of a very antibiotic object hovering

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over the the pueblos and right over

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their house no it's a some interesting

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things that we really should explore in

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future episodes now we've got some

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really fascinating guests today we have

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the return of Leslie cane has been on

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before she's an investigative reporter

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who got involved in UFOs we're also

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introducing to the show mark rocker who

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is the head of the J Allen Hynek Center

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for UFO studies and I knew Hynek you

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know for a short time in the years

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before he died so this is going to be

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very interesting because they have a

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brand new project called UFO data a UFO

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detection and tracking project to set up

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a network of automated surveillance

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stations with sensors in different parts

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of the world this is hard scientific

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research into UFOs it's coming up next

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with gene and Chris you're in Liberec

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so here's what happened I was placing an

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order online the site went down it took

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hours before it returned but I'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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iWeb your site is hosted on one of the

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most reliable networks in the world talk

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to a sales rep at a web.com use the

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UFO data project with Leslie Kane who's

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been on the show several times before

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and we welcome a new friend of the show

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mark rata ger he heads up the J Allen

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Hynek Center for UFO studies probably

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one of the most prestigious UFO

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organizations around the world and

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before we get to mark Leslie I just

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wanted a bit of an update here since

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you're the cheerleader for UFO data how

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did you get involved

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well actually I knew Alex went who was

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who wrote a chapter from my book an

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absolutely brilliant chapter in my book

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and I knew he was interested in doing

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something like this and a number of

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years ago I was just in communication

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with him and we had a meeting at a local

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well I won't say where because I'm not

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supposed to but I guess right mark but

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anyway there was a group of us that all

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came together to kind of brainstorm some

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organization like this and and Mark and

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Alex had pulled in a lot of really

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outstanding scientists and we had

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presentations from them and we were

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linked up through Skype to people in

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other parts of the world and so I was

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just sort of on the in the initial

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meeting in which we kind of launched the

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whole project and I've been very

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interested in it because you know as a

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journalist I'm interested in getting

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more data and more information that's

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factual about UFOs so this is the kind

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of thing I'm very much interested in and

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really want to support and so I've just

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been kind of in touch with these guys

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and then when we did the launch about a

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5 or 6 weeks ago I wrote an article for

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the Huffington Post to kind of um get it

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out onto the map and that's how the

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whole launch began now one of the things

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that interests me is the potential of a

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project like this because the biggest

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thing about UFOs of course is the fact

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that we have a large collection of

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anecdotal data to deal with but getting

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hard scientific evidence over the years

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has been difficult I know we have

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problems with just having enough money

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to do it because a lot of organizations

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have to kind of run things on a low

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budget it's not that we have lots of

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rich people who are willing to give to

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UFO research

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now mark tell our listeners about your

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background how you got involved in this

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affair UFOs

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I'll be happy to do that Jeana and Chris

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I was a college student in the early

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1970s who had been interested in UFOs

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for many a year as so many of us were

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who grew up in the 60s when sightings

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were fast and furious and a Lahaina 'xs

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started the Center for UFO studies in

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Evanston after the Great Wave in 1973

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and I read about the beginnings of it

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and I actually grew up in Northwest

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Indiana not in the in the Chicago

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suburbs effectively and I thought you

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know when I go home from school for

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summer I've got a contact event and see

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if I can get involved so you know one

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thing led to another and I was able to

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to convince him to let me volunteer and

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began to do things there and have

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maintained my interest and involvement

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ever since now as some of our listeners

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know I met dr. Hynek several times I

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interviewed him and he always struck me

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as being such a kind gentle person and I

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always wished I could have had a college

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professor like him he was the a classic

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college professor in the absent minded

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category but as you say warm generous

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wonderful teacher the absent-minded a

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category though just one anecdote quick

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one comes to mind is that he managed to

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leave his briefcase one day on the

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Chicago L going back to Evanston and

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that's like the New York subways by the

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way if you want a comparison that's

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right and fortunately got it back you

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know those were the days right when

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people return things they sell it on

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eBay

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exactly but yeah he was it was wonderful

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to be around he was jovial he liked to

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meet people one thing that was different

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about him compared to most you know hard

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scientists physical scientists is that

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he liked people and liked being around

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people and so he enjoyed interviewing

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witnesses to cases and hearing their

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stories and that of course is a

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tremendous benefit for anybody who wants

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to go out and study UFOs in the field by

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any witness testimony and and the that's

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the the air force didn't know who they

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were picking when they chose him to be

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their chief consultant for Project Blue

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Book of course you know he was

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criticized early on as being a debunker

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and then of course we have the marsh gas

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explanation for sightings in Michigan

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and of course that inspired hearings

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about UFOs in the late 60s brought about

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the Condon report the air force giving

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up UFO research but obviously dr. Hynek

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realized over time there was a lot more

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happening with UFOs and even when I

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interviewed him in the 70s I could see

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his views were migrating and becoming

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more expansive as to the possibilities

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but how did you come to head up this

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organization well I you know sometimes

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you just have to hang around what is it

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Woody Allen says 98% of life is showing

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up or or something I think that's about

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actors say that too as long as you show

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up you watch your mark you'll do okay

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right so I guess I did the same thing at

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the center you know I I hung in there I

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joined the board formally in 1980 I

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believe and Allen semi retired in 1984

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from the center moved Arizona to a warm

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climate and got involved down there with

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some other UFO related activities still

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was on the board but wasn't as active

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but he was still nominally the head of

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the organization but we had talked about

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this and not that he expected to pass

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away as soon as he did in nineteen 786

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but he said to me you know and to the

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board you know I I looked around here

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and I wanted to find somebody who was

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younger who had the energy and the drive

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to to run this place and you know marks

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the guy so when I could no longer do it

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you know I'd like to see him become my

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successor and unfortunately that was

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that turned out to be much sooner than

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we thought yes I think he died of a

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brain tumor was it yes a brain tumor

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yeah just did you know they go very

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quickly for most people and even now

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even with cancers treatment being so

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improved so yeah it was just nine months

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now he was really somebody I missed

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because I had addition to meeting him a

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few times a few conversations over the

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phone

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just a really great guy and really a big

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loss to the field let's talk more about

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it your involvement and what the

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organization is doing today and how you

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got involved in the UFO data project and

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many thousands of other questions in our

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next segment we have mark rowdy Gert

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with gene and Chris in the para cast

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Leslie cane mark Rana ger mark so you

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became the head of the organization by

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showing up which is pretty good today

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2015 what sort of activities is the

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Center for UFO studies involved in the

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less that we'd like to for a variety of

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reasons but I would say that they focus

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on archival preservation first and

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foremost meaning that we know that it's

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important to be able to obtain the files

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of longtime researchers I can tell you I

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can't reveal details because we're right

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in the middle of negotiations but a

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well-known longtime investigator who

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hadn't been active recently passed away

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we've been you know talking to people

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connected to him about his files and and

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this is quite calm and this comes up

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regularly so that's one thing and then

639
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of course we scan them you know and all

640
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of that you know we still have ongoing

641
00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:20,300
interest in physical trace cases if we

642
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can find them you probably have had on

643
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guests who talked about the evolution of

644
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the types of sightings that have been

645
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going on you know since those 70s or so

646
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and how they've changed I mean one of

647
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the most dramatic changes has been the

648
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reduction in close encounter cases of

649
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all types but particularly those with

650
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physical evidence that leaves its mark

651
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to several questions that we have for

652
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you later on formed out the para cast

653
00:28:52,750 --> 00:28:50,270
calm or our listeners actually ask

654
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questions bar guests there's a bunch of

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them

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this one from San Marc to what extent

657
00:28:59,800 --> 00:28:57,230
has Koufos received reports of Close

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Encounters over the last few years

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particularly landings and reports of

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objects hovering near the ground right

661
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and and the answer is we don't receive

662
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as many reports as we used to because we

663
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we are we have not been for years a

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major reporting organization you know

665
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that's MUFON that's new Fork with Peter

666
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Davenport but I monitor those databases

667
00:29:24,670 --> 00:29:21,680
closely and we still do some receive

668
00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:24,680
some reports and as with those two other

669
00:29:30,010 --> 00:29:28,400
organizations very few true close

670
00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:30,020
encounter cases occur you know what am I

671
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earliest interest in the field was a

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vehicle

673
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farrance reports work somebody's car or

674
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:39,330
truck is affected by a UFO well those

675
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:42,270
are they used to be about fifteen or

676
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:44,610
twenty per year worldwide not a large

677
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,460
number but still enough to study now

678
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:50,640
it's one or two perhaps so what is that

679
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ninety percent less and they're the same

680
00:29:59,960 --> 00:29:57,150
thing is true with ce3 the classic C III

681
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cases where people see a humanoid same

682
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things true with the physical trace

683
00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:03,030
cases like Ted Phillips and others have

684
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,430
studied now that's interesting here

685
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,960
we've had Ted Phillips on the show by

686
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the way several times but just focusing

687
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:12,450
on the change in cases so we're talking

688
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:13,980
here about the fact that the close-up

689
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cases and the physical trace that

690
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happened more often a while back but now

691
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it's back to just seeing things in the

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sky mostly to a certain extent yes and

693
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just to link that to UFO data by the way

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you know we it was the driving force

695
00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:33,960
completely in in like the what we're

696
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:35,340
trying to measure for the UFO data

697
00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:37,380
project that we'll talk about later but

698
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:39,630
the UFO data project is not expecting

699
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:41,610
that we're going to have things landing

700
00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:45,000
close to our stations we are expecting

701
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that we're going to be trying to measure

702
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,800
and detect the UFO phenomena at you know

703
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:51,600
some distance in the sky and that'll be

704
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:53,370
great because our instruments will be

705
00:31:00,020 --> 00:30:56,490
able to do that but yes you know getting

706
00:31:01,850 --> 00:31:00,030
back to your question the you know Close

707
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:01,860
Encounters and and you know Ted knows

708
00:31:07,270 --> 00:31:05,250
that we used to regularly get cases

709
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:07,280
where you could take stuff into the labs

710
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:10,260
and and look at them in angel-hair cases

711
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:11,700
right when's the last time that we've

712
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:15,600
had a quality angel error case just a

713
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:17,550
few days ago in Arizona actually it's

714
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:19,650
funny you should mention it the first

715
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:22,290
one I've seen in probably years great I

716
00:31:25,910 --> 00:31:23,880
like to hear about it but but your what

717
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:25,920
Chris your point is you know underscores

718
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,170
mine which is that you know you there

719
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:30,600
you go the first one in years this is

720
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:32,910
interesting too I know we had a lot of

721
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:34,740
those cases back in the 50s when you'd

722
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:37,170
read major Donald Kehoe's books but mark

723
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:39,090
tell our listeners because not everybody

724
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,650
is up to speed on all this stuff that

725
00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:42,690
you and I and Chris and Leslie are

726
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:45,630
talking about angel-hair cases what is

727
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,170
that

728
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:49,320
precisely what it sounds like well of

729
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:51,150
course not precisely like angels aren't

730
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,860
involved and is really hair other than

731
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:53,760
that it's perfect

732
00:32:01,220 --> 00:31:58,679
labeled but in the 1950s you know I

733
00:32:03,740 --> 00:32:01,230
can't say it was common but it certainly

734
00:32:04,910 --> 00:32:03,750
wasn't so rare that you know we shook

735
00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:04,920
your head and thought oh that's just a

736
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:06,980
one-off as the English would say um

737
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:10,110
typically in a clear day often in the

738
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:14,370
fall witnesses would report seen a disc

739
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:17,820
or more than one in the sky pretty high

740
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:21,919
up not close by and they would then seek

741
00:32:27,549 --> 00:32:24,360
perhaps not coming from the disc but in

742
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:27,559
the vicinity of the disc material

743
00:32:32,289 --> 00:32:30,179
falling from the sky or blowing in the

744
00:32:35,150 --> 00:32:32,299
sky but eventually falling to the ground

745
00:32:38,780 --> 00:32:35,160
this material really was more akin to

746
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,790
spider webs but not the kinds of spider

747
00:32:43,159 --> 00:32:40,500
webs that I have you know over if I look

748
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:43,169
to the side here am I in the office but

749
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:48,950
they're very thicker whiter you know

750
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:50,820
morville um to us I mean you would

751
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:52,260
covering the ground you know there are

752
00:33:00,500 --> 00:32:53,880
pictures showing it covering the ground

753
00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:00,510
and the Vicky now and the the key

754
00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:02,580
physical feature of it besides all those

755
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:05,160
things is that people claimed that they

756
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:07,380
collected it and put it into a jar that

757
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:10,230
it would sublimate if we evaporate which

758
00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:14,340
of course spiderwebs don't do it was

759
00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:17,190
collected rarely but samples were

760
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,540
collected that sometimes didn't

761
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,840
sublimate analysis was done a guy named

762
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:23,580
Brian Baldwin who passed away a few

763
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:25,799
years ago was the with the most recent

764
00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:28,740
researcher who did a a more

765
00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:31,380
sophisticated view of the of the

766
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:33,990
phenomena statistically and then some

767
00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:36,059
analysis has been done recently in a

768
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:38,070
couple of potential Angela Hale samples

769
00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:40,110
by Phyllis would injure the chemist who

770
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:42,780
has been looking at UFO samples for many

771
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,450
years now and nothing definitive was

772
00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:48,179
shown except that I believe it was shown

773
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:51,780
to be not spiderwebs but the source of

774
00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:54,600
it was is of course you know still to be

775
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:56,550
determined now there are reports of

776
00:33:59,850 --> 00:33:58,260
quote unquote angel hair that have

777
00:34:01,950 --> 00:33:59,860
clearly been spider webs

778
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:01,960
because spiders do something called

779
00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:04,690
blooming in the fall where often young

780
00:34:10,919 --> 00:34:07,630
spiders and in the millions will travel

781
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:10,929
on webs across the sky to migrate and

782
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:13,240
these webs then fall to the ground and

783
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:17,080
and they can be a you large a number and

784
00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:19,000
and the key though is if you look at

785
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:20,919
them you know what you see on them is a

786
00:34:26,669 --> 00:34:24,310
small spider or two or a thousand that

787
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,679
wasn't true for Elaine changel here now

788
00:34:31,409 --> 00:34:28,960
where the angel hair was collected in a

789
00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:31,419
jar and disappeared there was no residue

790
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:35,230
whatever left by no you know the the jar

791
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:37,690
wasn't airtight we're not talking you

792
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:39,850
know high tech physics technology where

793
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:42,250
if you did that you could analyze the

794
00:34:46,139 --> 00:34:43,720
atmospheric gases

795
00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:46,149
you know perhaps in one case my memory

796
00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:49,030
you know it isn't perfect so maybe in

797
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:50,590
one case somebody tried to do that but

798
00:34:55,169 --> 00:34:53,169
in general those jars were not you know

799
00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:55,179
is such that the sample jars were not

800
00:34:59,220 --> 00:34:56,830
there you couldn't do anything like

801
00:35:03,240 --> 00:34:59,230
you're suggesting like completely

802
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,250
isolated yeah right okay other than

803
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:05,920
something really weird is there a

804
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,500
conventional or potential conventional

805
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:11,440
explanation for something like angel

806
00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:12,730
hair that's something that just would

807
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:17,080
seem to evaporate well you know really

808
00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:21,250
no yeah I mean I I'm again I'm casting

809
00:35:25,470 --> 00:35:23,560
my mind back to what I've read about it

810
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:25,480
I wish I'd seen it myself I've talked to

811
00:35:29,370 --> 00:35:27,100
people who have Bill John I have an

812
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:29,380
example that I did see myself we're not

813
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:31,570
talking angel hair but we are talking a

814
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:36,100
strange kind of yellowish oily kind of

815
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:38,830
marmalade substance that has been found

816
00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:41,830
on mutilated cattle and in my very first

817
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field investigation I a videotape of me

818
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collecting about enough to put a good

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blob on a quarter so about a level

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teaspoon of this material was put filmed

821
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and put in a film container tape was

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wrapped around and I signed my name on

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it it was overnight at that day to

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Denver to dr. John Altschuler a

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hematologist and when he pulled the tape

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could detect nothing scientifically

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had been in there except for film and

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the stuff that you see on the video me

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putting in the container wrapping it up

831
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and sending it off to Denver which is

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about a hundred and eighty miles away it

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took five six seven hours maybe to get

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there we did get it there that that day

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detect the presence of anything we have

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mark Rada GERD Leslie Kane gene and

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any theories any one of you can enter

942
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into this mark Lesley Chris any theories

943
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:34,590
as to why the UFO field seems to have

944
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:36,330
changed in terms of the kinds of

945
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:39,750
sightings we get is that because of the

946
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witnesses and where they are or do you

947
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think that the phenomenon has changed

948
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its goals what do you think

949
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Lesley well it's a good question I don't

950
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know if technology is anything maybe to

951
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:54,480
do it at the fact that technology has

952
00:42:00,590 --> 00:41:57,240
changed so much and is somehow that

953
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affects the ability of the phenomenon to

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00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:03,090
manifest within the you know closer to

955
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,590
the earth I mean I have no idea I'm

956
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,420
talking off the top of my head but it is

957
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:07,920
a very different world now than it was

958
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:11,700
in the 70s and there's just a lot more

959
00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:14,520
atmospheric interference I would think

960
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:18,150
than there was back then but I really

961
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:21,180
don't know that's just one thought that

962
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:25,320
pops into my mind so the other question

963
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,730
of course that comes up a lot is people

964
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:28,680
have so many more cell phones now that

965
00:42:33,860 --> 00:42:31,140
there should be good videos that that

966
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:33,870
should be able to be obtained a lot more

967
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:36,990
easily than there were and I haven't

968
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:40,410
seen any really good videos either even

969
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:41,490
though they're a lot more cameras out

970
00:42:45,830 --> 00:42:44,130
there so that's another strange another

971
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:45,840
question that comes up that I don't have

972
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:48,210
an answer for what is the fact that

973
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:49,800
cellphones can't get very good video

974
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:51,690
footage I mean that cellphones and you

975
00:42:54,860 --> 00:42:53,250
if you have something far away and you

976
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:54,870
try to shoot it with a cell phone you're

977
00:43:01,460 --> 00:42:58,260
not gonna get much but still well close

978
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:01,470
up they do well I mean today's iPhone 6s

979
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,680
and 6s plus are capable of 4k video

980
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:07,920
almost good enough to make a movie from

981
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:10,560
right but usually you know UFO sightings

982
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:12,780
aren't going to be too close that's the

983
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:14,760
programmer that's the problem so you

984
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don't cooperate right but

985
00:43:21,859 --> 00:43:18,869
I don't know I mean mark do you think

986
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:21,869
there are actually fewer UFOs out there

987
00:43:25,329 --> 00:43:23,609
than there were before or that something

988
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:25,339
has just changed in terms of our

989
00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:27,720
perceiving them but it's no way to

990
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:30,750
answer that I guess well let me throw in

991
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:33,000
another another bit for consideration

992
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:34,740
about this change because there's

993
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:38,310
something else broadly that has not just

994
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:41,310
declined and disappeared and that's the

995
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:46,710
classic UFO wave or flap and again those

996
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,690
of the listeners who are you know old

997
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:50,220
enough or watched enough UFO

998
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:54,060
documentaries know about the the 1957

999
00:44:00,320 --> 00:43:57,450
wave in the 1952 wherever the 1966-67

1000
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:00,330
wave and then etc and then there were

1001
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:02,930
similar 54 in France and right on and on

1002
00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:06,359
there were the last incredible waves in

1003
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:08,430
southern Colorado and northern New

1004
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:13,500
Mexico from 91 through 99 right now we

1005
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,250
have this amazing activity those are

1006
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:20,280
very localised flaps and and that's

1007
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:22,380
that's fine Chris but I want to make

1008
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:23,700
that distinction so I'm glad you brought

1009
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:25,290
that up because the wait notice the

1010
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:27,810
waves I mentioned and I don't expect the

1011
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:29,910
listeners turn to know this they were

1012
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:32,220
very broad geographically broader than

1013
00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:34,020
Southern Colorado they were global in

1014
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:37,470
some 73 it was global that's right the

1015
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,089
last by the way really large where it

1016
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:41,839
wasn't the 73 us where it was the 78

1017
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:47,160
Italian slided into no Austria wave yeah

1018
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:50,640
kind of European wave well what waves

1019
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:54,300
have occurred of that type since 1978

1020
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:57,540
what about the Hudson Valley wave no

1021
00:45:04,270 --> 00:44:59,880
that's like the Silverado it's more

1022
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,280
local but it is still always Belgian so

1023
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,720
yeah the waves because the other

1024
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:08,640
definition of a wave is over a

1025
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:10,710
relatively short period of time and

1026
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:12,810
we're talking three months is the

1027
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,790
typical average time except there were a

1028
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:17,040
couple longer so the Hudson Valley was

1029
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:18,690
what you know two or three years but

1030
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:20,970
then there's a gap there is there's a

1031
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:23,339
gap before build right yeah and it's a

1032
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:27,060
big gap and Belgium is is also more

1033
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:29,339
localized in the same way than I'm

1034
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:31,020
describing so yes

1035
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:32,940
soda soda then get back to your to the

1036
00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:35,130
question are we still seeing lots of

1037
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:37,080
UFOs or have people seen lots of UFOs

1038
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:38,460
yeah of course people are definitely

1039
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:40,350
seeing UFOs but we're not seeing the

1040
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:42,810
wave the flap levels of activity

1041
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:47,160
globally or multi regionally right so so

1042
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:48,930
that's another thing that's gone along

1043
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,540
with the drop in sightings and then the

1044
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:53,760
final point and you alluded to this when

1045
00:45:59,570 --> 00:45:55,650
Wendy said you know the worldwide is

1046
00:46:02,300 --> 00:45:59,580
that before the late 70s when a wave

1047
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:02,310
occurred even though yes it often was

1048
00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:03,990
broad it wasn't always in fact it

1049
00:46:08,330 --> 00:46:06,060
actually wasn't mostly broad so if you

1050
00:46:10,940 --> 00:46:08,340
look at the 1952 wave of Court of course

1051
00:46:13,070 --> 00:46:10,950
it was across the US but if you look at

1052
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:13,080
Europe nothing was going on in special

1053
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:14,610
in Europe nothing was going on special

1054
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:16,950
in Australia of South America would you

1055
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:18,780
look at the 54 wave in France and Italy

1056
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:19,800
and so forth

1057
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:22,020
alcohol across France and northern Italy

1058
00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:24,090
you didn't have that North American in

1059
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:27,360
North America but beginning in the late

1060
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:30,630
70s again globally yet we know we have

1061
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:33,810
Hudson Valley and all this but globally

1062
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:36,210
close encounters decline and they all

1063
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:38,330
declined around the same time and

1064
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:40,680
globally of course all these large waves

1065
00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:43,500
just stopped interesting that's about at

1066
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:45,980
the time when you had your first

1067
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:50,160
proliferation of video cameras yes

1068
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:51,900
that's right so it's interesting we're

1069
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:54,900
seeing almost a reverse bell curve as

1070
00:47:01,280 --> 00:46:59,160
our level of Technology has become more

1071
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:01,290
widespread throughout the culture and

1072
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:03,510
and conversely at the same time the

1073
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:06,930
price has been coming down the UFO is

1074
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:09,270
getting further and further away from us

1075
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:11,400
in terms of your average sighting it's

1076
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:13,619
almost like back when we didn't have the

1077
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:16,530
technological ability to record events

1078
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:20,040
up close and personal in the 40s and 50s

1079
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:22,530
UFOs were up close and personal and as

1080
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:25,410
our ability has developed to possibly

1081
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:29,369
document these events in real time the

1082
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:31,050
phenomena has had to move further back

1083
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:34,500
and further back it's it's I don't know

1084
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:36,180
if anybody has ever thought about before

1085
00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:39,540
but makes sense to me let me just say

1086
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that Chris it sounds like there's a

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00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:43,740
deliberate effort on the part of the

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00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:44,280
force

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00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:51,000
elusive as we in turn became better able

1090
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:55,920
to track them exactly weird well it's

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00:48:02,050 --> 00:47:59,040
like blob squatches and blob UFOs I mean

1092
00:48:05,810 --> 00:48:02,060
the best UFO footage is is fairly

1093
00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:05,820
fleeting and and nondescript the real

1094
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:09,600
good stuff I have a feeling is much more

1095
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,570
rare and is much more problematic and is

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00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:14,940
almost always daylight footage and

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00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:16,890
that's why the UFO data project is so

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00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:20,180
exciting because the visible spectrum

1099
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:22,710
especially during daylight is where a

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00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:25,560
lot of wonderful diamonds and golden

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00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:27,030
nuggets are going to be held

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00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:29,850
I think scientifically is that indicate

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00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:32,310
something that also has been theorized

1104
00:48:37,310 --> 00:48:34,920
not just that the UFO phenomenon is

1105
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:37,320
becoming more interested in staying just

1106
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:39,960
one step away from us as we can find it

1107
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:42,480
different suggestions it may be all our

1108
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:45,720
most UFO cases since the 80s or 70s

1109
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:48,810
whatever are just invention Alabi X that

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00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:53,040
et left us a long time ago well I think

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00:48:59,960 --> 00:48:57,570
that's silly but but but but the

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00:49:02,990 --> 00:48:59,970
considerate considerate seriously for a

1113
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,000
moment you know the the the there have

1114
00:49:09,380 --> 00:49:06,060
been fabulous UFO sightings black

1115
00:49:12,110 --> 00:49:09,390
Belgium since then and I think that

1116
00:49:13,610 --> 00:49:12,120
we've you know so BAPS and in Belgium

1117
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:13,620
and others have looked at that just

1118
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:16,020
those cases alone to know that despite

1119
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:18,750
what skeptics say no it wasn't you know

1120
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:20,490
aircraft being tested or all the other

1121
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:23,640
things they say the O'Hara UFO case here

1122
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:26,220
five miles from where I'm sitting you

1123
00:49:28,580 --> 00:49:27,510
know where was I that day what had

1124
00:49:30,590 --> 00:49:28,590
happened I was sitting at my desk

1125
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:30,600
looking at my PC screen not looking out

1126
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:36,090
the window you know that case is a more

1127
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:37,710
of a classic one by the way with it with

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00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:39,480
the disc that you know we don't have a

1129
00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:42,900
disc like that that can do what was

1130
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:46,860
reported so no we are getting sightings

1131
00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:49,710
that are not our own technology that are

1132
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:51,390
not explainable with our own technology

1133
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:53,850
unless of course which I don't believe

1134
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:55,380
that we have such incredible reverse

1135
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:56,730
engineering stuff that we're making

1136
00:50:00,020 --> 00:49:58,020
secret trips you know

1137
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:00,030
the moon and Jupiter and all that and

1138
00:50:05,810 --> 00:50:02,970
keeping it quiet so the UFOs are still

1139
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:05,820
around there's you know 100% absolutely

1140
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:08,910
you unexplained honest-to-god really

1141
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,160
interesting cases still occur they are

1142
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:12,960
they've changed like we've been talking

1143
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:14,610
about but they're out there and they're

1144
00:50:19,460 --> 00:50:15,960
not and they're you know they didn't

1145
00:50:22,850 --> 00:50:19,470
disappear you know in the late 70s or

1146
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:22,860
early 80s there's also the case in 2007

1147
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:25,110
actually after the O'Hair case of the

1148
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,510
gigantic UFO that was seen by captain

1149
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:29,280
ray Bowyer over the Channel Islands I

1150
00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:30,180
don't know if you're familiar with that

1151
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:33,990
case but it was this two massive objects

1152
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:36,180
that he he and his passengers saw in a

1153
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:39,270
small airplane very well documented and

1154
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,600
he filed a report on it

1155
00:50:46,580 --> 00:50:44,280
he drew a drawing you know he filed it

1156
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:46,590
with the CIA because in Europe there

1157
00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:49,380
those pilots have reporting forms for

1158
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:52,830
such things we don't have and we don't

1159
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:54,420
have them here and and I remember

1160
00:51:01,790 --> 00:50:58,020
talking to him at great length about his

1161
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:01,800
his just surprised at the way the whole

1162
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:03,750
subject is handled here in terms of our

1163
00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:09,240
aviation authorities yeah yeah we don't

1164
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,430
have any channels through which we can

1165
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:13,200
make any official reports of these so

1166
00:51:16,550 --> 00:51:14,520
anyway that was another really really

1167
00:51:19,610 --> 00:51:16,560
great case that occurred fairly recently

1168
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:19,620
but I'm not aware of much since then

1169
00:51:24,740 --> 00:51:21,450
that's really been outstanding since

1170
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:24,750
2007 we got more to expert here and

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00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:27,300
we're getting into UFO data projects in

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00:51:32,050 --> 00:51:29,340
just a moment we have Leslie Kane mark

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Radha ger Jean and Chris you're in

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1247
00:54:57,609 --> 00:54:54,830
investigative journalist lesley cane we

1248
00:55:00,970 --> 00:54:57,619
have mark rodiger who is the head of the

1249
00:55:03,130 --> 00:55:00,980
J Allen Hynek Center for UFO studies we

1250
00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:03,140
were talking about the trends of UFOs

1251
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:06,080
that may be the elusive UFOs because we

1252
00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:08,540
can watch them better with our cell

1253
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:10,430
phone cameras and everything else they

1254
00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:13,369
have become more elusive so let's go

1255
00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:14,300
mark

1256
00:55:19,930 --> 00:55:16,790
specifically now into the UFO data

1257
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:19,940
project so of course we have the meeting

1258
00:55:26,260 --> 00:55:23,359
that Leslie's talking about but what was

1259
00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:26,270
the overall genesis of this and why are

1260
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:28,550
you hoping to accomplish with UFO data I

1261
00:55:33,970 --> 00:55:30,890
would like to start back much further

1262
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:33,980
than the the approximate genesis of it

1263
00:55:41,380 --> 00:55:36,550
and go back into UFO history because

1264
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:41,390
even in the 1950s when we had plenty of

1265
00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:43,430
daylight sightings and and good

1266
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:45,500
sightings and military pilots seeing

1267
00:55:52,330 --> 00:55:49,730
UFOs it was understood that we wanted to

1268
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:52,340
get physical data from you know

1269
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:53,990
standardized calibrated instruments

1270
00:55:58,450 --> 00:55:56,090
which could be really high quality

1271
00:56:00,820 --> 00:55:58,460
triangulated photos or radiation

1272
00:56:03,070 --> 00:56:00,830
detection as they tried to do and so

1273
00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:03,080
forth to be able to learn more about the

1274
00:56:08,859 --> 00:56:05,990
phenomena and that idea has carried

1275
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:08,869
through all of the UFO research

1276
00:56:15,849 --> 00:56:12,410
and so and Martu for interrupting but

1277
00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:15,859
you have to agree that the United States

1278
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:18,200
military has been involved in hard data

1279
00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:21,710
monitoring of these objects for 50 60

1280
00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:24,099
years and they have probably really

1281
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:27,470
refined the process looking outwards

1282
00:56:31,870 --> 00:56:29,450
from our planet and looking downwards as

1283
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,880
well I mean they have the capabilities

1284
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:34,400
to do it there's no doubt about that but

1285
00:56:37,989 --> 00:56:36,170
since of course we don't have access to

1286
00:56:43,029 --> 00:56:37,999
their data what we what we do know is

1287
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:43,039
that the civilian UFO groups of range or

1288
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:46,190
individuals Dave Akers who's part of our

1289
00:56:50,829 --> 00:56:48,890
UFO data team began in the early 1970s

1290
00:56:53,529 --> 00:56:50,839
and the Yakima Indian Reservation in

1291
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:53,539
Washington State there was project

1292
00:56:57,789 --> 00:56:55,490
starlight international in Austin Texas

1293
00:57:01,690 --> 00:56:57,799
with race Stanford and his group in the

1294
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,700
70s as well so people have have known

1295
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:03,920
including the center I should add that

1296
00:57:09,099 --> 00:57:06,049
two of them grad students came to dr.

1297
00:57:11,499 --> 00:57:09,109
Hynek in the in the mid 1970s and said

1298
00:57:14,620 --> 00:57:11,509
we want to work with you and your

1299
00:57:16,779 --> 00:57:14,630
scientists to develop a mobile van full

1300
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:16,789
of instruments that we will take to UFO

1301
00:57:22,809 --> 00:57:20,089
hot spots and try to measure data and so

1302
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:22,819
it was well ahead of its time and we

1303
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:24,710
could never get funding and so it was

1304
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,690
just a stillborn idea

1305
00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:29,119
but until douglas trumbull about six

1306
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:31,670
years ago ah that's right I don't know

1307
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:32,809
if he's managed to get out in the field

1308
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:34,970
and do much with it but well it's one

1309
00:57:39,849 --> 00:57:36,410
thing to have a million-dollar Hummer

1310
00:57:42,970 --> 00:57:39,859
just loaded for bear it's another thing

1311
00:57:43,569 --> 00:57:42,980
to know where to park it yes that's

1312
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:43,579
right

1313
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,249
yes do you give it to the ballet also

1314
00:57:50,589 --> 00:57:48,319
when you pull up to the you know the

1315
00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:50,599
West Hollywood hotspot or do you not

1316
00:57:57,579 --> 00:57:53,660
know the red button is the stinger we

1317
00:57:59,380 --> 00:57:57,589
don't use that unless all other methods

1318
00:58:03,130 --> 00:57:59,390
have been exhausted so don't press the

1319
00:58:07,180 --> 00:58:03,140
red button valet right so that's the

1320
00:58:09,999 --> 00:58:07,190
backdrop to the UFO data project now

1321
00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:10,009
because of the decline in sightings that

1322
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:12,680
we could study with physical evidence

1323
00:58:19,509 --> 00:58:15,680
Trey's cases and so forth it's become I

1324
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:19,519
think a more pressing matter to to get

1325
00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:21,530
this vision a location

1326
00:58:30,310 --> 00:58:28,790
case yep so Alex went as Leslie said was

1327
00:58:31,780 --> 00:58:30,320
had been thinking about this himself

1328
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:31,790
even though he's a political science

1329
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:34,010
professor he's very interested in UFOs

1330
00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:37,520
and on the physical science side we had

1331
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:39,160
already met when he was at the U of C

1332
00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:42,650
now he's at Ohio State and so you know

1333
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:44,390
he contacted me in one day and said hey

1334
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:46,190
I'm thinking about this and you know I

1335
00:58:50,770 --> 00:58:48,080
want you to partner with me on this and

1336
00:58:55,930 --> 00:58:50,780
for some reason that day I was I was

1337
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:55,940
weak and I said yes and so you know we

1338
00:59:01,450 --> 00:58:58,370
we started doing what Leslie described

1339
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:01,460
recruiting people thinking about you

1340
00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:03,170
know how to do this thinking about the

1341
00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:05,300
best way to fund it and you know and all

1342
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:07,220
the rest but but the the fundamental

1343
00:59:10,570 --> 00:59:08,930
idea to make sure the listeners know

1344
00:59:15,220 --> 00:59:10,580
what we're talking about is simply that

1345
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:15,230
we're going to create automated stations

1346
00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:16,400
stations because they're going to be

1347
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:17,870
packed with various types of instruments

1348
00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:20,930
and cameras that will be able to you

1349
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:24,320
know on their own be triggered if

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00:59:30,430 --> 00:59:28,130
something occurs in view or or at least

1351
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:30,440
within scientific instrument view put

1352
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:33,050
put it that way that is worth recording

1353
00:59:38,110 --> 00:59:35,570
and then of course record it is stored

1354
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,120
and you know transmitted back to our

1355
00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:40,400
servers where wherever they're going to

1356
00:59:45,340 --> 00:59:42,830
be located not determined yet and then

1357
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:45,350
analyzed and of course you have to build

1358
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:47,210
more than one station because the UFOs

1359
00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:50,330
are are not guaranteed to show up hardly

1360
00:59:56,050 --> 00:59:53,000
anywhere at any one plus triangulation

1361
00:59:58,090 --> 00:59:56,060
is really important it is though it

1362
01:00:00,490 --> 00:59:58,100
turns out if you have cameras on one

1363
01:00:04,210 --> 01:00:00,500
station that are separated by a

1364
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:04,220
reasonable distance you can calculate

1365
01:00:11,980 --> 01:00:08,000
the distance to of something nearby

1366
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,990
that's right now if it's too far away

1367
01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:14,000
you need a bigger base for the

1368
01:00:18,130 --> 01:00:16,760
triangulation but but the but the key I

1369
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:18,140
agree completely with your point which

1370
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:19,910
is you want to have triangulation of

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01:00:24,070 --> 01:00:22,490
some type so that you can determine the

1372
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:24,080
distance and the standard easiest way

1373
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:28,490
with parallax yeah well the way the San

1374
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:30,530
Luis Valley camera project is set up

1375
01:00:35,289 --> 01:00:33,140
where we're triangulated at about 25

1376
01:00:37,509 --> 01:00:35,299
miles I mean that's correct

1377
01:00:38,709 --> 01:00:37,519
of course a huge you know broad range of

1378
01:00:42,370 --> 01:00:38,719
possible distances

1379
01:00:45,069 --> 01:00:42,380
yeah but 25 miles you know add 36 times

1380
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:45,079
optical zoom is a pretty good pretty

1381
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:47,049
good equation we're able to pick up

1382
01:00:54,429 --> 01:00:51,609
daylight objects less than a meter less

1383
01:00:57,819 --> 01:00:54,439
at what distance then cross anywhere

1384
01:01:01,419 --> 01:00:57,829
within the triangle we can break pick up

1385
01:01:03,789 --> 01:01:01,429
a two and a half to three foot object so

1386
01:01:06,279 --> 01:01:03,799
more let's look at specifics about what

1387
01:01:09,819 --> 01:01:06,289
you're trying to do now with UFO data so

1388
01:01:10,749 --> 01:01:09,829
first of all the actual detection

1389
01:01:13,299 --> 01:01:10,759
equipment

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01:01:15,399 --> 01:01:13,309
what sort of configuration are you

1391
01:01:18,339 --> 01:01:15,409
envisioning yeah I love the nighttime

1392
01:01:19,479 --> 01:01:18,349
you know well the all sky cam idea which

1393
01:01:22,059 --> 01:01:19,489
is something that we've been working

1394
01:01:25,419 --> 01:01:22,069
with for a while we're finding out we

1395
01:01:27,579 --> 01:01:25,429
have some problems with less expensive

1396
01:01:30,969 --> 01:01:27,589
all sky cams you need super high-res

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01:01:34,479 --> 01:01:30,979
ones because what we envisioned like on

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01:01:37,089 --> 01:01:34,489
your website as that being kind of the

1399
01:01:39,699 --> 01:01:37,099
surveillance alarm that's burbling

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01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:39,709
underneath the system and when something

1401
01:01:44,919 --> 01:01:42,319
triggers certain parameters for velocity

1402
01:01:47,979 --> 01:01:44,929
speed size luminance these types of

1403
01:01:50,439 --> 01:01:47,989
things then that system of pixels that

1404
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:50,449
are being you know triggered then all

1405
01:01:57,519 --> 01:01:54,649
that information is is analyzed by the

1406
01:02:00,879 --> 01:01:57,529
software and it determines whether a

1407
01:02:03,879 --> 01:02:00,889
real event occurs if it is a real event

1408
01:02:07,749 --> 01:02:03,889
record goes in motion cameras

1409
01:02:10,089 --> 01:02:07,759
triangulate and move to the the real

1410
01:02:12,189 --> 01:02:10,099
time event as it's occurring correct me

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01:02:15,699 --> 01:02:12,199
if I'm wrong you've got it just about

1412
01:02:18,999 --> 01:02:15,709
exactly right the key point is that we

1413
01:02:22,479 --> 01:02:19,009
will definitely use all sky cameras to

1414
01:02:23,649 --> 01:02:22,489
be our main detection mechanism now that

1415
01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:23,659
doesn't mean we're not going to have a

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01:02:28,149 --> 01:02:25,880
magnetometer running and a few other

1417
01:02:30,459 --> 01:02:28,159
things so that the thermometer right so

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01:02:32,409 --> 01:02:30,469
if so if for some reason a you know

1419
01:02:35,499 --> 01:02:32,419
there was a huge change in the magnetic

1420
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,509
field we would then start turning on the

1421
01:02:38,739 --> 01:02:36,799
recording devices because you know

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01:02:41,769 --> 01:02:38,749
because of a disk base and all the rest

1423
01:02:43,449 --> 01:02:41,779
even despite the huge dissident 'day you

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01:02:46,029 --> 01:02:43,459
don't really want to record video

1425
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:46,039
constantly you know photos 24 hours a

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01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,570
day on and on and on like that so so

1427
01:02:52,580 --> 01:02:50,640
the station would run 24 hours a day but

1428
01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:52,590
it wouldn't always record everything at

1429
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:55,710
least record events that are tried by a

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01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:58,170
preset arrangement of parameters that's

1431
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:59,940
right but it may it may not be only

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01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:01,920
photos but certainly if the photos would

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01:03:06,860 --> 01:03:05,040
be a primary source of quote/unquote

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01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:06,870
detection will in you know what else

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01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:09,170
mark I really love the idea of having

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analog optics and blaze gratings two

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separate light spectra out into its

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constituent wavelengths I race Stanford

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I mean he has been pushing and pushing

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for us to come up with a way to include

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analog blaze grading let's do our break

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here and then we go more into the nuts

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and bolts of UFO data and the detection

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equipment with mark rodiger of the

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why don't you continue talking with mark

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01:08:18,689 --> 01:08:16,719
Rana ger about what's being cluded here

1536
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:18,699
with regard to the equipment with UFO

1537
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:22,210
data well I've been thinking about this

1538
01:08:27,499 --> 01:08:25,089
whole project for over twenty years and

1539
01:08:30,990 --> 01:08:27,509
back when I first tried to cost it out

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01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:31,000
with the level of existing technology

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01:08:34,919 --> 01:08:32,409
and the price points and everything it

1542
01:08:36,959 --> 01:08:34,929
was about a million dollars now what you

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01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:36,969
have brought up as a number which i

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01:08:43,169 --> 01:08:40,120
think is you know for a rudimentary

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01:08:45,649 --> 01:08:43,179
station twenty thousand dollars there's

1546
01:08:48,660 --> 01:08:45,659
an amazing lot of tech that could be

1547
01:08:51,570 --> 01:08:48,670
obtained and made operational remotely

1548
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:51,580
with twenty thousand dollars and you

1549
01:08:56,189 --> 01:08:52,719
know I want it publicly

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01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:56,199
number one applaud the effort I think

1551
01:09:01,140 --> 01:08:58,480
Lesley when she was last on the show was

1552
01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:01,150
impassioned about the need to move the

1553
01:09:05,249 --> 01:09:03,190
field forward mark you've been in the

1554
01:09:06,899 --> 01:09:05,259
trenches for years I think this is a

1555
01:09:09,149 --> 01:09:06,909
great idea it's something I've been

1556
01:09:11,729 --> 01:09:09,159
trying to get people to be a you know

1557
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:11,739
get behind for years and whatever I can

1558
01:09:16,979 --> 01:09:14,650
do and in my capacity with my you know

1559
01:09:19,289 --> 01:09:16,989
I've done a lot of work already in this

1560
01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:19,299
realm so I think you know with Mark

1561
01:09:25,709 --> 01:09:22,420
Dantonio douglas trumbull is the mario

1562
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:25,719
in in italy who's already done some

1563
01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:26,290
really cool

1564
01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:28,630
stuff and you know obviously the haslund

1565
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:31,000
folks I think we all need to work

1566
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:33,670
together and you know I think the level

1567
01:09:37,289 --> 01:09:35,290
of Technology the amount of money it

1568
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:37,299
costs to do incredible things has has

1569
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:40,500
come down to a point where I mean we be

1570
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:43,600
remiss not to attempt to do this

1571
01:09:48,150 --> 01:09:45,730
properly yeah well thanks Christopher's

1572
01:09:50,430 --> 01:09:48,160
for those that were the support it is

1573
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,440
very much appreciated but all I can do

1574
01:09:55,170 --> 01:09:52,960
to help I'm Yours yeah well we are going

1575
01:09:58,260 --> 01:09:55,180
to work together and that I can

1576
01:10:01,470 --> 01:09:58,270
guarantee in terms of the the technology

1577
01:10:05,070 --> 01:10:01,480
and the capabilities now that the that

1578
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:05,080
really is the key and skeptics you know

1579
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:06,490
there are debunkers and there are

1580
01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:08,290
skeptics and there is a difference and

1581
01:10:15,630 --> 01:10:11,680
skeptics of the UFO phenomena and of

1582
01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:15,640
studying UFOs have said to us well okay

1583
01:10:19,410 --> 01:10:17,860
maybe there's something to it but you

1584
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:19,420
certainly haven't proven it yet so

1585
01:10:22,770 --> 01:10:20,710
you've got to get out there and get more

1586
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:22,780
data and prove it to me and I've talked

1587
01:10:28,530 --> 01:10:25,320
to a few reasonable ones like that and

1588
01:10:31,230 --> 01:10:28,540
so that's another spur to this this type

1589
01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:31,240
of project which is to say yes if we

1590
01:10:36,330 --> 01:10:34,360
have the theoretical capability to build

1591
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:36,340
these things and go out in the field and

1592
01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:38,650
do it then if we don't do it then you

1593
01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:40,780
know 20 15 years from now somebody

1594
01:10:44,730 --> 01:10:42,670
legitimately could look back and say

1595
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:44,740
well you guys didn't even try yeah it

1596
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:47,490
wasn't gonna be easy but you have to try

1597
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:49,870
somebody's got to do it come on the

1598
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:53,050
money is not the the thing holding us

1599
01:10:56,460 --> 01:10:54,370
back right now with the level of

1600
01:10:59,070 --> 01:10:56,470
Technology and the affordability of gear

1601
01:11:01,020 --> 01:10:59,080
you know of course the Dantonio and

1602
01:11:03,210 --> 01:11:01,030
Trumbull are talking about cosmic ray

1603
01:11:05,490 --> 01:11:03,220
collectors and you know all this exotic

1604
01:11:11,220 --> 01:11:05,500
stuff I mean just a meat-and-potatoes

1605
01:11:13,290 --> 01:11:11,230
data gravity optics mag now is easy yeah

1606
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,300
I mean this is the this is all simple

1607
01:11:18,420 --> 01:11:15,280
stuff that you don't need to go you know

1608
01:11:21,180 --> 01:11:18,430
and mortgage your house or something to

1609
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,190
outfit you know I think the whole idea

1610
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:23,440
of closed windows sort of you know

1611
01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:26,620
targeted radar is something else that

1612
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:29,620
has not been incorporated into any of

1613
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:32,350
the types of systems that have been

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01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:35,440
proposed or gone into at least some some

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:38,310
sort of you know operation there

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:40,650
a lot of ideas I think we all in this

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:43,650
room could share and as I said you know

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01:11:48,590 --> 01:11:46,170
I want to get into some of the nuts and

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01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,600
bolts here but whatever I can do you

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guys I'm there for you let me ask you a

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01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:51,960
quick question here mark

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01:11:58,100 --> 01:11:54,360
now you've been involved in UFO research

1623
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,110
since probably the 70s and lavas have

1624
01:12:03,050 --> 01:12:00,960
been around longer is it the sheer cost

1625
01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:03,060
of equipment that has prevented this

1626
01:12:09,860 --> 01:12:05,940
from being done or attempted up until

1627
01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:09,870
recent years effectively yes

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:13,140
you know the efforts that were you know

1629
01:12:18,860 --> 01:12:16,610
Hess Stalin succeeded in capturing

1630
01:12:21,740 --> 01:12:18,870
photographs and videos of UFOs and

1631
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:21,750
taking some rudimentary measurements but

1632
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:24,540
how did they do that they did that

1633
01:12:27,650 --> 01:12:26,370
through people power it turns out of

1634
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:27,660
course they had the right scientific

1635
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:30,600
instrument so what happened is mostly in

1636
01:12:35,060 --> 01:12:32,250
the summer not in the wooden in the

1637
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:35,070
winter they would send expeditions there

1638
01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:36,480
and often there's some there's an

1639
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:39,150
Italian physicist and astronomers that

1640
01:12:40,970 --> 01:12:40,410
have gone there you know for some time

1641
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:40,980
now

1642
01:12:46,190 --> 01:12:44,280
and they would set up camp they would

1643
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:46,200
monitor things 24 hours a day of course

1644
01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:47,940
they had great cameras and you know etc

1645
01:12:54,740 --> 01:12:52,260
etc in the phenomena was non elusive

1646
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:54,750
enough so that it would show up while

1647
01:12:59,240 --> 01:12:56,520
they were there and not you know maybe

1648
01:13:00,980 --> 01:12:59,250
once or twice in you know in a week but

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01:13:02,570 --> 01:13:00,990
once or twice in a week is better than

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01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:02,580
none and then they would measure it and

1651
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:05,090
take pictures and do the things they did

1652
01:13:10,730 --> 01:13:07,980
well they didn't build despite this the

1653
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:10,740
famous blue box that Earl and strand is

1654
01:13:15,230 --> 01:13:13,290
built at has Stalin which you know does

1655
01:13:17,660 --> 01:13:15,240
kind of run 24 hours and take pictures

1656
01:13:19,820 --> 01:13:17,670
basically they didn't set up a station

1657
01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:19,830
it wasn't automated and all the rest

1658
01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:21,270
because hey where was the Internet in

1659
01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:23,580
the early 1980s it was you know nowhere

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01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:26,190
for public consumption and where was the

1661
01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:28,230
miniaturization of all these things in

1662
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,260
the 1980s it was nowhere and so yes it

1663
01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:33,840
would have been extremely expensive to

1664
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:36,780
try to do this with the typical public

1665
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,970
donations and all that that we had but

1666
01:13:42,710 --> 01:13:41,040
as time is going on as Chris said right

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01:13:46,730 --> 01:13:42,720
everything has just gotten cheaper

1668
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:46,740
smaller right like the one thing that is

1669
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:48,840
gonna always be the stumbling block is

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01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:51,330
that dedicated person prior to you

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01:13:53,870 --> 01:13:51,810
having a

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:53,880
budget so you can pay him that dedicated

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01:13:58,610 --> 01:13:55,650
person that's gonna sit there at that

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01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:58,620
base station and you know keep all

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:00,540
systems running you need to have a

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01:14:05,180 --> 01:14:02,370
budget and you need to have the

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01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:05,190
bandwidth yeah for a person to sit there

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01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:07,920
you know in in that position they need

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01:14:12,650 --> 01:14:09,480
to be hired and they need to be

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eminently overqualified underpaid but

1681
01:14:18,620 --> 01:14:15,690
kept really happy fast question here

1682
01:14:21,710 --> 01:14:18,630
with this equipment will they all not be

1683
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:21,720
monitored on-site by somebody and just

1684
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:23,910
left to stay there and then you monitor

1685
01:14:29,630 --> 01:14:26,490
them from a Central Station or we have

1686
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:29,640
people for each measuring device well oh

1687
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:32,310
yes christyjean if I may before I answer

1688
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,410
because I'm curious Oh Chris huh how is

1689
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:37,040
your network set up pursuant to what the

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01:14:42,350 --> 01:14:39,900
join with two different approaches where

1691
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:42,360
we're going with a CCT closed system

1692
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:46,020
loop that's our own land we're also

1693
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:48,650
looking at the internet as a way to

1694
01:14:54,670 --> 01:14:52,110
instantaneously communicate between base

1695
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:54,680
station and the two exhilarate cameras

1696
01:14:59,210 --> 01:14:57,330
the base station will have the the

1697
01:15:02,900 --> 01:14:59,220
graviton adore the magnetometer the

1698
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,910
blades grading the EMF meter that sort

1699
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:04,800
of thing we're hoping to have FLIR on

1700
01:15:11,330 --> 01:15:08,010
all three ultimately on all three

1701
01:15:14,380 --> 01:15:11,340
locations we're not so much concerned

1702
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:14,390
with the the Wow gee whiz nighttime

1703
01:15:19,940 --> 01:15:16,980
potential data we're mostly concerned

1704
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:19,950
with daylight objects I want to be able

1705
01:15:26,570 --> 01:15:22,650
to see what our our government is has

1706
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:26,580
operational in his clandestinely testing

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01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:29,310
in the levite am took la vita low

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01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:31,050
operational

1709
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:34,080
that's right next to the triangulated

1710
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:36,630
array that we've got proposed here all

1711
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:39,120
right how about the security of this the

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01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:41,210
logistics of that I mean are you the

1713
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,590
property it's being placed on or all

1714
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,360
things that of course say it's all

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01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:48,000
private secure proper and actually

1716
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:49,970
highly visible in one sense of the word

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01:15:57,170 --> 01:15:54,930
it's believe me it is the hot spot you

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01:16:00,510 --> 01:15:57,180
know ground zero in the United States

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01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:00,520
that deserves this kind of

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01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:03,730
this kind of system and there are a

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01:16:08,130 --> 01:16:05,530
number around and I would really like to

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01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:08,140
get into your hole location scouting

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01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:10,450
process to you because I've got a bunch

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01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:11,650
of ideas about that

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01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:13,930
yeah our brain iteration let's do our

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01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:15,730
breaker and we'll discuss Chris's ideas

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about location and more about the kind

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01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:19,390
of equipment that's going to be

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available once you get this network set

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up we have mark rod eager with gene and

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Chris and Leslie cane you're in the para

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Roger Kerr he'll get his turn and we're

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talking about the UFO data project and

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very much about the nuts and bolts and

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how things are set up and I want to

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understand the equipment before we get

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into locations and everything else more

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about the equipment so we have

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photographic equipment lenses and stuff

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like that

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motion sensors what kind of things

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you're looking for radiation you're

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looking for electromagnetic we assume

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yes well we're going to look for the

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cost or the spectrum so we know the

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visible spectrum is that we normally

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think about but there's the infrared

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spectrum or the infrared part of the

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spectrum and then the radio frequency in

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microwave and so we're going to have

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instruments that would capture data from

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that range and possibly down into below

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and kind of into the you know

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ultraviolet and we'll just below the

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visible range but weird we don't expect

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really to get down to x-rays and

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gamma-rays we just don't think that

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that's an area that is we're likely to

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get a signal magnetometers you know

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magnetic field weather data naturally

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and possibly a grab grab a meter or grab

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a Tama tur which is basically the local

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gravity field it's really an

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accelerometer which so if you had a box

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when the thing was in there and you

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picked the box up suddenly it would it

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would recognize the fact that you picked

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this box up subtle and you lifted it

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into the air the gravity field doesn't

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change often in reports of sightings

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indeed that was more common in the olden

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days of UFOs but if you've got something

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like that happening and you were

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absolutely sure that the station was was

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solid you know it didn't move that would

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01:23:01,250 --> 01:22:59,910
be quite amazing to get that kind of a

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detection so

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well we design to set that up with the

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help of race Stanford by the way and he

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has offered the use of his gravity oven

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today to go ahead and least get it set

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up plus we we've got some interesting

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ideas and I see that you you know are

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aware obviously of the potential for

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data gathering in the very low frequency

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or ultra-low frequency acoustic range

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01:23:34,460 --> 01:23:31,500
and one of the things that we've devised

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is a concrete slab and some very

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01:23:41,620 --> 01:23:36,570
sophisticated PCM mics that would be

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01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:41,630
able to detect extremely huge cycles

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01:23:49,220 --> 01:23:45,090
single you know cycles of acoustic waves

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so we need to I think all you know put

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our heads together and come up with with

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some of the ideas that we've been

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working on also an idea of measuring a

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laser beam you mean you mean shining a

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laser beam out at the phenomena or no no

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no a laser beam that would be you would

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be measuring the effect of a close

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01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:09,960
proximity object which obviously is one

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01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:13,020
in a trillion possibility but who knows

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if you did have a close proximity

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01:24:20,990 --> 01:24:18,110
approach by an object you can have a a

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01:24:23,420 --> 01:24:21,000
laser experiment that actually could

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measure the strength of the magnetic

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field by how much have been so the the

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light Ray Ray has devised a really

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ingenious experiment in that regard as

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well so this is where our audience at

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the pair of cast really I think agrees

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with me and this is where we need to

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move is this how we need to groove and

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get this whole thing out of the ditch

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put the wheel back on the darn thing and

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let's start you know going through the

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woods going down the track here we need

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to move forward and do this type of

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program this is the obvious next step

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everything else all the anecdotal stuff

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is great all the data that we've been

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01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:07,710
able to collect from Ted's 7000 landing

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01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:10,290
trace cases all that's wonderful but if

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01:25:13,380 --> 01:25:12,300
we really want to you know crack this

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01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:13,390
thing open we're going

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01:25:19,890 --> 01:25:15,850
have to do hard data monitoring and I

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01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:19,900
applaud you guys for this and and can't

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01:25:26,130 --> 01:25:23,110
wait to see it go nationwide you know

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01:25:27,450 --> 01:25:26,140
global be great well related to that you

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01:25:28,830 --> 01:25:27,460
know you would we've been talking about

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01:25:30,930 --> 01:25:28,840
the fact that you know you've got your

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01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,940
project and the you photog project with

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01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:32,560
douglas trumbull and you know our

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01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:35,050
project and a few others I am of the

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mind that particularly cuz I know the

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01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:40,210
history of science and is that it is

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actually indicative of the a positive

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01:25:45,930 --> 01:25:44,650
elements that all these things are

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01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:45,940
happening at once because this is pretty

1955
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:48,910
common in science when there's an area

1956
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:51,370
that becomes hot in science and that

1957
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:53,770
lots of people say hey this is worth

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01:25:58,290 --> 01:25:56,050
studying sometimes it's because of new

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01:26:00,120 --> 01:25:58,300
technology other times it's just because

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01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:00,130
somebody had a great idea and we want to

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01:26:04,620 --> 01:26:02,500
test that idea out but I think that the

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01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:04,630
UFO field and this is quite rare in the

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01:26:08,190 --> 01:26:07,690
UFO field is acting like normal science

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01:26:11,370 --> 01:26:08,200
right now

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01:26:13,470 --> 01:26:11,380
I mean amazingly enough because lots of

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01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:13,480
us are independence right so how about

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01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:15,820
that frightening but we don't we're all

1968
01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:18,970
saying hey it's doable it's feasible as

1969
01:26:22,830 --> 01:26:20,260
you said we got to get the car back on

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01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:22,840
the road so you know let's do it and so

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01:26:26,910 --> 01:26:25,660
I'm happy to have lots of projects and

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01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:26,920
even if they don't all collaborate

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01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:29,050
because you know not everybody can do

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01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:30,610
the same thing and we should all do the

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01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:32,500
same thing because double by until I

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01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:34,690
mean gosh if you have two independent

1977
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:36,970
projects monitoring the same airspace

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01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:39,130
and they could come up with with data

1979
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:40,750
and then you could have a field day

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01:26:45,180 --> 01:26:43,390
looking at it you know the correlations

1981
01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:45,190
and looking at any potential you know

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01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:48,670
head scratchers it would be great I love

1983
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,710
it but I think working together to I

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01:26:54,690 --> 01:26:52,480
mean at least pooling data being

1985
01:26:58,050 --> 01:26:54,700
transparent with what you're getting not

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01:27:00,810 --> 01:26:58,060
hoarding a stuff being as transparent as

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01:27:03,180 --> 01:27:00,820
possible I think that's important yes I

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01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:03,190
know there was a listener question you

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01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:04,690
know I looked at the postings about

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01:27:10,110 --> 01:27:08,050
about that issue and naturally we are

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01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:10,120
going to make our data available

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01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:12,250
naturally as with any scientific project

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01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:14,530
it won't be available instantly we have

1994
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:16,450
to look at it we have to you know

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01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:18,250
process it we have to do all the stuff

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01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:19,570
you would normally do with it and then

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01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:22,330
we have to to do the analysis and and of

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01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:23,250
course

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01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:24,960
write an article for a journal because

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01:27:28,060 --> 01:27:26,730
if you said why okay what are we going

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01:27:30,650 --> 01:27:28,070
to do with the results of this

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01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:30,660
ultimately well what what does science

2003
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:33,930
want you to do hubless peer review right

2004
01:27:37,670 --> 01:27:36,060
and so that's what we're going to do now

2005
01:27:39,500 --> 01:27:37,680
that doesn't preclude making the data

2006
01:27:41,810 --> 01:27:39,510
available on a website for other people

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01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:41,820
the data mine so those are not you know

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01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:44,400
again and here's a quick question for

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01:27:50,450 --> 01:27:48,420
you now do you envision as I do for my

2010
01:27:52,730 --> 01:27:50,460
particular you know little homegrown

2011
01:27:56,570 --> 01:27:52,740
grassroots project do you consider

2012
01:28:00,560 --> 01:27:56,580
having a you know just a public view

2013
01:28:03,290 --> 01:28:00,570
only sort of feed from a system as it's

2014
01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:03,300
just sitting there idling until boom you

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01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:05,940
know some sort of event happens and then

2016
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:07,710
you know the system wakes up and then

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01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:10,170
you start to have things go on visually

2018
01:28:15,890 --> 01:28:12,960
and optically you know whatever do you

2019
01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:15,900
have envisioned a live feed that people

2020
01:28:21,140 --> 01:28:19,710
can become sort of witnesses to events

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01:28:24,170 --> 01:28:21,150
as they occur

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01:28:26,780 --> 01:28:24,180
yes we've thought about that and I see

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01:28:28,730 --> 01:28:26,790
to do yeah it's easy to do we haven't

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01:28:31,250 --> 01:28:28,740
progressed that far down that road on

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01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,260
that side of things just because we

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01:28:35,420 --> 01:28:33,360
focused as you can imagine on you know

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01:28:37,190 --> 01:28:35,430
the either the that launched the project

2028
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:37,200
publicly or they get that a station

2029
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:38,970
design worked out and it still not

2030
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:41,280
worked out of course but yeah as a

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01:28:48,580 --> 01:28:44,330
server that we could go ahead and and

2032
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:48,590
supply a platform for you know that that

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01:28:55,790 --> 01:28:52,890
wonderful PR tool that could be sitting

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01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:55,800
out there burbling 24/7 and and people

2035
01:29:00,440 --> 01:28:58,170
could be making their notes when when an

2036
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:00,450
event occurs and you have a red box

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01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:02,850
blinking around the image because you

2038
01:29:08,060 --> 01:29:05,280
know motion has been detected and we're

2039
01:29:10,340 --> 01:29:08,070
in record mode that sort of thing that

2040
01:29:13,700 --> 01:29:10,350
adds drama there's nothing like a little

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01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:13,710
drama to add success and notoriety and

2042
01:29:19,300 --> 01:29:16,530
visibility I would strongly strongly

2043
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,310
urge you to definitely consider that and

2044
01:29:24,710 --> 01:29:22,560
gene has been willing to help us with

2045
01:29:27,170 --> 01:29:24,720
that particular aspect of this this

2046
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:27,180
whole project so so I'm sure he would he

2047
01:29:33,140 --> 01:29:29,690
would be more than happy to expand

2048
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:33,150
extend his expertise and server space we

2049
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:34,650
actually by the way have two servers

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running right now don't

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01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:37,960
that's gonna be true next year but they

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both have humongous amounts of bandwidth

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capability so we are able to do that so

2054
01:29:46,020 --> 01:29:44,380
we'll talk about that a little bit later

2055
01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:46,030
and let's see where that takes us

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let's take us to Plus off the power cast

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you know just having these two on to do

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that it's worth it every week we should

2181
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this you know have you come on like for

2182
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a short time leslie kane mark rodiger

2183
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competing for the best Parekh a stinger

2184
01:35:26,430 --> 01:35:23,739
but talking about serious stuff like UFO

2185
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:26,440
data with gene and Chris I want to ask

2186
01:35:29,580 --> 01:35:28,210
you here I guess the next step and

2187
01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:29,590
there's a lot of things involved to your

2188
01:35:32,189 --> 01:35:30,040
mark

2189
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:32,199
choosing the locations where to put

2190
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:34,739
these stations what have you done so far

2191
01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:37,690
well what we've done is sorted through

2192
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:40,840
some of the more obvious locations and

2193
01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:43,449
by that I mean the historically the

2194
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:46,030
historic spots where people have

2195
01:35:49,410 --> 01:35:47,890
reported lots of sightings and and many

2196
01:35:50,850 --> 01:35:49,420
of your listeners that we've already you

2197
01:35:53,220 --> 01:35:50,860
know heard the names or will know them

2198
01:35:55,860 --> 01:35:53,230
doodle head style in Yakima yes and the

2199
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:55,870
San Luis Valley in Colorado and a few

2200
01:35:59,970 --> 01:35:57,610
other spots there's a place in Italy the

2201
01:36:00,510 --> 01:35:59,980
Massimo TT Ronnie knows about and all

2202
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:00,520
the rest

2203
01:36:07,770 --> 01:36:05,290
however as Chris correctly noted you

2204
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:07,780
need to have somebody local who will be

2205
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:10,930
able to go to the station maintain it

2206
01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:13,090
fix it to reboot the computer if

2207
01:36:16,740 --> 01:36:15,340
necessary you know you'd like to think

2208
01:36:18,900 --> 01:36:16,750
we're building a space probe to go to

2209
01:36:20,490 --> 01:36:18,910
Pluto where there you know you can get

2210
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:20,500
by without somebody to push the reboot

2211
01:36:24,689 --> 01:36:22,930
button which they've managed to do but

2212
01:36:26,370 --> 01:36:24,699
in fact that's why they cost thirty

2213
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:26,380
million dollars to do it and these won't

2214
01:36:31,890 --> 01:36:30,130
so because of that we know that we may

2215
01:36:33,780 --> 01:36:31,900
have to I won't weasel word compromise

2216
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:33,790
we just have to take into account

2217
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:36,730
various factors to make the the choice

2218
01:36:41,939 --> 01:36:39,730
that will maximize the success of the

2219
01:36:43,290 --> 01:36:41,949
operation which means having a station

2220
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:43,300
running in addition to being where there

2221
01:36:46,620 --> 01:36:45,370
might be sightings and so one of the

2222
01:36:49,410 --> 01:36:46,630
things we're doing on the site is

2223
01:36:51,660 --> 01:36:49,420
recruiting volunteers who can host a

2224
01:36:53,820 --> 01:36:51,670
station who have the right property

2225
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:53,830
that's secure who have the right

2226
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:56,560
background and so forth that can do this

2227
01:37:01,979 --> 01:36:59,440
so gene we're gonna we're gonna balance

2228
01:37:03,689 --> 01:37:01,989
those things but naturally we're going

2229
01:37:06,510 --> 01:37:03,699
to put more emphasis if possible on

2230
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:06,520
where sightings either are currently

2231
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:08,250
reported happening because one of the

2232
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:10,330
persons on the team is Robert Powell

2233
01:37:14,010 --> 01:37:11,770
from youth on or the director of

2234
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:14,020
research of course we've got a direct

2235
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:16,150
access to the latest mutant

2236
01:37:18,899 --> 01:37:17,650
about where sightings are happening and

2237
01:37:22,830 --> 01:37:18,909
of course we work with Peter Davenport

2238
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:22,840
as well and then like I've said finding

2239
01:37:28,649 --> 01:37:24,850
spots where we can have reliable people

2240
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:28,659
to to keep things running if you you

2241
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:31,570
come up with a boiler plated system that

2242
01:37:39,330 --> 01:37:36,489
is not you know super difficult for the

2243
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:39,340
average person to you know grab a system

2244
01:37:45,630 --> 01:37:42,880
have a plug-and-play get your you know

2245
01:37:49,649 --> 01:37:45,640
port forwarding done and any sort of IP

2246
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:49,659
stuff that you need to do you know this

2247
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:53,280
could be done very very cheaply you know

2248
01:37:57,810 --> 01:37:56,080
maybe the better word is inexpensively

2249
01:38:00,450 --> 01:37:57,820
and it could be done almost

2250
01:38:02,490 --> 01:38:00,460
plug-and-play I mean it could be you

2251
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:02,500
know what does that turnkey I think it's

2252
01:38:07,020 --> 01:38:04,690
a term where you just you you set it up

2253
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:07,030
you power it on and boom you're ready to

2254
01:38:14,130 --> 01:38:10,090
go and then as these things started to

2255
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:14,140
you know kind of move out from hotspot

2256
01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:17,050
areas you start to get people motivated

2257
01:38:23,790 --> 01:38:20,710
in you know adjoining regions you know

2258
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:23,800
you could modular system eyes this thing

2259
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,000
out and man no you're right correct that

2260
01:38:34,770 --> 01:38:30,400
to me that's the most exciting thing

2261
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:34,780
that I have ever thought about within

2262
01:38:40,350 --> 01:38:37,840
this field yes it'll be a couple points

2263
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:40,360
to follow up on that we we absolutely

2264
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:45,520
have considered tiers of stations in

2265
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:47,890
terms of capability with the Cadillac

2266
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:50,770
version or the Lexus version you know

2267
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:51,850
would be the one that we've been

2268
01:38:58,140 --> 01:38:55,530
discussing because you need one that has

2269
01:38:59,700 --> 01:38:58,150
you know that's 20000 or whatever it's

2270
01:39:01,200 --> 01:38:59,710
going to cost that can do everything

2271
01:39:03,419 --> 01:39:01,210
right because you want to get as much

2272
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,429
data as possible but then again if you

2273
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:04,960
if everything's that much money you

2274
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:06,850
can't have as many and so we've already

2275
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:09,310
gotten several emails unsolicited from

2276
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:11,770
people who are excited and said you know

2277
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,520
I can't spend 20,000 or whatever but if

2278
01:39:20,939 --> 01:39:17,679
you can get the price down I guarantee

2279
01:39:22,530 --> 01:39:20,949
you I will buy one and all the rest and

2280
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:22,540
and you know and run it and and be

2281
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:24,610
integrate with your network and so we're

2282
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:26,170
- we're thinking about that it would be

2283
01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:27,570
we've already got

2284
01:39:33,140 --> 01:39:30,420
designed at three different price levels

2285
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:33,150
so exactly and so that's what we want to

2286
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:35,730
work with you on that and yeah so now

2287
01:39:39,919 --> 01:39:37,050
the other point I was going to make

2288
01:39:42,890 --> 01:39:39,929
though is that the not only is the this

2289
01:39:45,470 --> 01:39:42,900
idea going out in the field together UFO

2290
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:45,480
day to normal science it also fits with

2291
01:39:52,700 --> 01:39:50,090
the zeitgeist of the time which is that

2292
01:39:54,140 --> 01:39:52,710
surveillance is becoming ubiquitous now

2293
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:54,150
I'm not a big fan of government

2294
01:39:57,439 --> 01:39:55,440
surveillance and corporate surveillance

2295
01:39:59,689 --> 01:39:57,449
but I'm certainly a big fan of

2296
01:40:01,490 --> 01:39:59,699
surveillance you know turned around on

2297
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:01,500
the you know for citizen surveillance of

2298
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:03,810
of something useful and reasonable

2299
01:40:07,879 --> 01:40:05,610
watching the watcher just watch the

2300
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:07,889
Watchers yeah right or in this case just

2301
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:11,010
watching the skies and so if we can do

2302
01:40:15,379 --> 01:40:13,050
it you know let's do it basically and

2303
01:40:17,569 --> 01:40:15,389
and surveil the skies constantly of

2304
01:40:20,270 --> 01:40:17,579
course the ultimate goal would be having

2305
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:20,280
some type of instrumentation everywhere

2306
01:40:25,879 --> 01:40:23,360
so the sky can be monitored constantly

2307
01:40:28,819 --> 01:40:25,889
and you can detect whatever you detect

2308
01:40:30,410 --> 01:40:28,829
it as I think Chris you said earlier you

2309
01:40:33,649 --> 01:40:30,420
know the or what was gene you know the

2310
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:33,659
government is got great technology out

2311
01:40:37,609 --> 01:40:35,489
there already you know the radar fence

2312
01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:37,619
around the whole you know earth that

2313
01:40:42,979 --> 01:40:40,260
they use to detect launches of missiles

2314
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:42,989
and things so you know we're not going

2315
01:40:47,540 --> 01:40:45,360
to build that kind of a capability but

2316
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:47,550
we can certainly build something that

2317
01:40:52,879 --> 01:40:49,730
would be sufficient for our purposes

2318
01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:52,889
absolutely Ron Regehr a good close

2319
01:40:57,260 --> 01:40:54,780
friend of mine who worked for Errol Jeff

2320
01:41:00,109 --> 01:40:57,270
for many years and you know engineering

2321
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:00,119
aspects of the optics of most of our spy

2322
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:02,730
satellites in the last 30 years he made

2323
01:41:07,790 --> 01:41:05,250
a very interesting statement publicly

2324
01:41:11,020 --> 01:41:07,800
back in the late 90s early 2000 saying

2325
01:41:13,970 --> 01:41:11,030
that it was his opinion that every major

2326
01:41:16,669 --> 01:41:13,980
spy satellite or surveillance satellite

2327
01:41:21,379 --> 01:41:16,679
that this country has sent aloft at

2328
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:21,389
least since the 60s early 70s has also

2329
01:41:27,290 --> 01:41:24,090
been tasked with pointing outwards not

2330
01:41:30,140 --> 01:41:27,300
only down at the planet so great strides

2331
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,150
I'm sure have been made in the you know

2332
01:41:34,910 --> 01:41:32,880
the classified world and one of the

2333
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,920
reasons why I am so excited about the

2334
01:41:40,339 --> 01:41:37,440
San Luis Valley aspect of this potential

2335
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:40,349
surveillance net is that it is right on

2336
01:41:43,370 --> 01:41:41,250
it's right on the

2337
01:41:46,340 --> 01:41:43,380
western side one of our largest low

2338
01:41:48,860 --> 01:41:46,350
flight military operations area and I've

2339
01:41:51,380 --> 01:41:48,870
had so many reports of what may be

2340
01:41:53,660 --> 01:41:51,390
conventional objects acting in highly

2341
01:41:55,790 --> 01:41:53,670
unconventional ways that have been

2342
01:41:57,260 --> 01:41:55,800
sighted flying in conjunction with

2343
01:41:58,970 --> 01:41:57,270
conventional aircraft and that sort of

2344
01:42:01,190 --> 01:41:58,980
thing and and just to be able to

2345
01:42:03,230 --> 01:42:01,200
differentiate between what is truly

2346
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:03,240
state-of-the-art on this planet and what

2347
01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:04,560
could be took a you know totally off

2348
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:07,500
planet which is also going on there that

2349
01:42:13,460 --> 01:42:10,530
to me is the ultimate the ultimate

2350
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,470
challenge and and I think I think it's

2351
01:42:19,370 --> 01:42:15,360
going to be a lot of fun and it's gonna

2352
01:42:21,290 --> 01:42:19,380
be unassailable if it's if the data is

2353
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:21,300
gathered properly it will be

2354
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:23,130
unassailable and there will be no

2355
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:28,050
equivocation in terms of the results and

2356
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:30,330
you said your ultimate goal is to get a

2357
01:42:34,340 --> 01:42:31,920
net of these things around the planet my

2358
01:42:36,770 --> 01:42:34,350
ultimate goal is just to get one that we

2359
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:36,780
can get your refutable data to write the

2360
01:42:41,690 --> 01:42:39,210
ultimate paper - slam dunk this subject

2361
01:42:45,530 --> 01:42:41,700
back into academia space and I hate hate

2362
01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:45,540
to sound all-nba and stuff but that's my

2363
01:42:51,140 --> 01:42:45,990
goal

2364
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:51,150
Marc you want to respond I know it's an

2365
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:54,480
ambitious goal but why not the thing is

2366
01:43:01,100 --> 01:42:59,040
is that science has rejected the

2367
01:43:05,540 --> 01:43:01,110
phenomena for a variety of reasons both

2368
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:05,550
theoretical and let's say data based the

2369
01:43:10,850 --> 01:43:07,500
theoretical reasons have mostly

2370
01:43:14,030 --> 01:43:10,860
disappeared there is only one really

2371
01:43:16,670 --> 01:43:14,040
left and that is that if you oppose our

2372
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:16,680
alien and not time travelers are

2373
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:19,110
extra-dimensional or whatever they can't

2374
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:20,610
get here from there in a you know

2375
01:43:25,190 --> 01:43:22,890
reasonable numbers the distances across

2376
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:25,200
space are too far but all the other

2377
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,330
objections have gone away you know are

2378
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:29,280
there planets out there yes so there

2379
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:30,930
probably lots of planets with habitable

2380
01:43:33,890 --> 01:43:32,490
in the habitable zone around their star

2381
01:43:40,010 --> 01:43:33,900
yes

2382
01:43:41,540 --> 01:43:40,020
etc etc etc etc but on the data side we

2383
01:43:43,730 --> 01:43:41,550
don't have as Chris just said you know

2384
01:43:47,420 --> 01:43:43,740
we don't have as much really a nut and

2385
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:47,430
as much hardly any quality hard reliable

2386
01:43:54,260 --> 01:43:52,250
data so if we get that the bit about the

2387
01:43:55,229 --> 01:43:54,270
theory where they can't get here from

2388
01:43:57,509 --> 01:43:55,239
from there

2389
01:43:59,069 --> 01:43:57,519
doesn't make any difference because the

2390
01:44:01,529 --> 01:43:59,079
same thing would be true by the way if

2391
01:44:03,810 --> 01:44:01,539
tomorrow the the proverbial UFO you know

2392
01:44:06,089 --> 01:44:03,820
lands on the I won't say the White House

2393
01:44:08,129 --> 01:44:06,099
lawn just lands wherever and they get

2394
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:08,139
out and I don't expect that the first

2395
01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:09,730
scientists to walk up to them but to say

2396
01:44:14,250 --> 01:44:12,190
but you can't get here from there so

2397
01:44:16,319 --> 01:44:14,260
what what are you doing here what's

2398
01:44:17,939 --> 01:44:16,329
going on that's not going to do that

2399
01:44:20,879 --> 01:44:17,949
objection just goes away in the in the

2400
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:20,889
face of actual evidence and so that's

2401
01:44:27,689 --> 01:44:24,010
what you need data and evidence if only

2402
01:44:30,689 --> 01:44:27,699
if only do you think here at all that

2403
01:44:33,390 --> 01:44:30,699
we're kind of challenging the gods to be

2404
01:44:35,790 --> 01:44:33,400
semi serious about this now you set up

2405
01:44:37,770 --> 01:44:35,800
these networks the phenomenon knowing

2406
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:37,780
these networks are set up just like they

2407
01:44:43,709 --> 01:44:40,570
seemed to become more elusive because of

2408
01:44:45,779 --> 01:44:43,719
the fact that we have more advanced ways

2409
01:44:47,970 --> 01:44:45,789
and cheaper ways of detecting things

2410
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:47,980
such as smartphone cameras that the

2411
01:44:53,279 --> 01:44:50,800
phenomenon itself may choose to become

2412
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more elusive than now once you set this

2413
01:44:57,930 --> 01:44:56,349
network it has the effect of deterring

2414
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:57,940
them that's obviously the fly in the

2415
01:45:01,799 --> 01:44:59,199
ointment it doesn't mean you shouldn't

2416
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:01,809
try you have to try you have to try to

2417
01:45:06,509 --> 01:45:03,760
find as much evidence as you can and

2418
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:06,519
hope that in a rare occasion you'll get

2419
01:45:11,009 --> 01:45:08,170
results and have something to

2420
01:45:13,140 --> 01:45:11,019
demonstrate UFO reality and maybe get a

2421
01:45:15,060 --> 01:45:13,150
handle on what they really are and we've

2422
01:45:16,589 --> 01:45:15,070
got a lot to cover here still with our

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remaining four segments with mark

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radhika leslie kane gina and christian

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2483
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:48,970
welcome back into the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

2485
01:48:02,860 --> 01:48:02,090
here's James Steinberg okay anyone who

2486
01:48:05,380 --> 01:48:02,870
wants to take it

2487
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:05,390
Lesley K mark rod occur do you think

2488
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:08,090
there's a possibility here that the mere

2489
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:10,130
act of having these detection stations

2490
01:48:16,330 --> 01:48:13,370
will cause the phenomenon to react hold

2491
01:48:20,260 --> 01:48:16,340
on before somebody jumps in we need to

2492
01:48:23,740 --> 01:48:20,270
differentiate between strange possibly

2493
01:48:26,979 --> 01:48:23,750
explainable equipment failures networks

2494
01:48:28,959 --> 01:48:26,989
going down equipment all of a sudden

2495
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:28,969
acting screwy you have to differentiate

2496
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:33,050
between that and a UFO coming down and

2497
01:48:39,070 --> 01:48:36,650
the cars electrical system fading out so

2498
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:39,080
you almost have to surveil your

2499
01:48:45,010 --> 01:48:42,560
surveillance equipment to determine what

2500
01:48:46,570 --> 01:48:45,020
is the cause of the actual breakdown and

2501
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:46,580
that's something that we we've talked

2502
01:48:54,370 --> 01:48:50,290
about in terms of how to set up failsafe

2503
01:48:57,880 --> 01:48:54,380
systems that are able to identify what

2504
01:49:00,100 --> 01:48:57,890
it is that takes your system down so I

2505
01:49:02,860 --> 01:49:00,110
you know Mark have you guys even thought

2506
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:02,870
about this because you know that the

2507
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:05,600
camera filming the camera on the

2508
01:49:10,540 --> 01:49:07,760
skinwalker ranch is Sherman ranch and

2509
01:49:12,490 --> 01:49:10,550
not being able to detect all the wires

2510
01:49:15,700 --> 01:49:12,500
being pulled out of a surveillance

2511
01:49:16,750 --> 01:49:15,710
camera on the camera image itself that

2512
01:49:18,850 --> 01:49:16,760
is very impressive

2513
01:49:21,580 --> 01:49:18,860
so have you even thought about security

2514
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:21,590
for these systems you know not security

2515
01:49:26,530 --> 01:49:24,170
to prevent those types of incidents and

2516
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:26,540
the you know so the honest answer is no

2517
01:49:30,580 --> 01:49:28,850
not yet and I'm not sure that we will

2518
01:49:33,130 --> 01:49:30,590
you know to get back to the genes

2519
01:49:34,660 --> 01:49:33,140
fundamental question right there there

2520
01:49:37,209 --> 01:49:34,670
there are several things that could

2521
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:37,219
happen in reaction to developing this

2522
01:49:42,669 --> 01:49:39,850
system and let's just imagine to keep it

2523
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:42,679
suitably vague that there is some

2524
01:49:46,090 --> 01:49:44,690
intelligence behind the UFO phenomena

2525
01:49:49,410 --> 01:49:46,100
you know whatever that intelligence is

2526
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:49,420
they can react by as chris has just said

2527
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:52,010
screwing with our equipment in various

2528
01:49:57,340 --> 01:49:54,170
ways and screwing with our ability to

2529
01:49:58,479 --> 01:49:57,350
measure things or they can react by

2530
01:50:00,279 --> 01:49:58,489
becoming more

2531
01:50:02,500 --> 01:50:00,289
just deciding oh there's a station there

2532
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:02,510
let's not show ourselves you know buy

2533
01:50:06,609 --> 01:50:05,360
that station in any possible way or you

2534
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:06,619
can go on from there and come up with

2535
01:50:10,209 --> 01:50:08,090
even something more you know whatever

2536
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:10,219
esoteric from that but those those two

2537
01:50:15,069 --> 01:50:12,800
are probably the main things we're just

2538
01:50:17,979 --> 01:50:15,079
not going to be deterred by that even

2539
01:50:19,810 --> 01:50:17,989
though of course both of those might

2540
01:50:22,060 --> 01:50:19,820
happen if the first one the first

2541
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:22,070
scenario happens as with the skinwalker

2542
01:50:26,409 --> 01:50:24,530
ranch highly interesting highly highly

2543
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:26,419
interesting and and you know evidence in

2544
01:50:30,069 --> 01:50:28,159
fact that there is something strange

2545
01:50:32,799 --> 01:50:30,079
happened yeah lack of evidence sometimes

2546
01:50:35,679 --> 01:50:32,809
could provide a lot of data yeah if the

2547
01:50:37,689 --> 01:50:35,689
second scenario occurred that gets into

2548
01:50:39,159 --> 01:50:37,699
you'd have to analyze it to see where

2549
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:39,169
other sightings were happening and you

2550
01:50:42,819 --> 01:50:40,610
it wouldn't be definitive without and

2551
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:42,829
without a the right pattern so you'd

2552
01:50:48,609 --> 01:50:46,249
have to get in statistics but in either

2553
01:50:50,919 --> 01:50:48,619
case you know we just have to we're

2554
01:50:53,619 --> 01:50:50,929
gonna go ahead because we're naive and

2555
01:50:56,259 --> 01:50:53,629
simple in the UFO data project and just

2556
01:50:57,969 --> 01:50:56,269
assume that we can do this you know

2557
01:51:01,449 --> 01:50:57,979
we're just following regular scientific

2558
01:51:04,359 --> 01:51:01,459
protocols and we will we will see what

2559
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:04,369
happens and and and then make decisions

2560
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:09,110
based on that okay and I'm sure at some

2561
01:51:15,009 --> 01:51:12,050
point you're going to have a director of

2562
01:51:19,869 --> 01:51:15,019
counterintelligence and I love an

2563
01:51:22,540 --> 01:51:19,879
introduction right yeah let me throw out

2564
01:51:24,819 --> 01:51:22,550
a question a comment but curses reaction

2565
01:51:26,859 --> 01:51:24,829
is that you know another idea that I've

2566
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:26,869
been using but this is not an official

2567
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:30,050
UFO data idea yet but but it relates to

2568
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:32,570
this two things first the the several

2569
01:51:36,459 --> 01:51:34,489
groups around the the world really that

2570
01:51:40,330 --> 01:51:36,469
are that are thinking about or doing

2571
01:51:43,989 --> 01:51:40,340
this type of work and to this incredible

2572
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:43,999
interest that we have seen since we

2573
01:51:48,069 --> 01:51:46,249
launched our website you know well over

2574
01:51:50,739 --> 01:51:48,079
a hundred people volunteering and

2575
01:51:52,689 --> 01:51:50,749
pouring in you know I'm not easier every

2576
01:51:54,580 --> 01:51:52,699
day we get new voluntaries coming who

2577
01:51:57,279 --> 01:51:54,590
wanted to get involved with us somehow I

2578
01:52:00,909 --> 01:51:57,289
I really think that it the field is ripe

2579
01:52:04,359 --> 01:52:00,919
to have a a large conference on this

2580
01:52:06,669 --> 01:52:04,369
issue I just on measuring out in the

2581
01:52:08,949 --> 01:52:06,679
field UFO data you know I don't love it

2582
01:52:11,150 --> 01:52:08,959
I love it you know there's nothing wrong

2583
01:52:14,540 --> 01:52:11,160
with the MUFON symposium

2584
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:14,550
right no single-subject blue-ringed

2585
01:52:20,300 --> 01:52:17,250
people everybody together who wants to

2586
01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:20,310
hear serious talk about this thing and

2587
01:52:25,220 --> 01:52:22,310
that's what you do you have serious

2588
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:25,230
technical talks and semi-technical you

2589
01:52:28,940 --> 01:52:26,850
know but that's what they are it's it's

2590
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:28,950
no public none of the normal speakers

2591
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:31,440
are there because of course Leslie in

2592
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:40,170
her cheerleader outfit going exactly I'm

2593
01:52:50,270 --> 01:52:42,480
not volunteering - I'm not voluntary to

2594
01:52:51,950 --> 01:52:50,280
run this that's for sure we will Leslie

2595
01:52:55,070 --> 01:52:51,960
because we have we have had such great

2596
01:52:58,040 --> 01:52:55,080
volunteers well well gonna have to get

2597
01:52:59,870 --> 01:52:58,050
together off mic and talk about this

2598
01:53:02,240 --> 01:52:59,880
because you know I would definitely get

2599
01:53:04,660 --> 01:53:02,250
involved in a conference like this this

2600
01:53:06,980 --> 01:53:04,670
would be one of the most gratifying

2601
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:06,990
volunteering projects that I could ever

2602
01:53:12,620 --> 01:53:10,320
be involved with I I mean that I would

2603
01:53:16,130 --> 01:53:12,630
do anything to help you right well

2604
01:53:18,050 --> 01:53:16,140
almost firstborn

2605
01:53:19,610 --> 01:53:18,060
not the first born the second born don't

2606
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:19,620
have any so they don't count

2607
01:53:24,500 --> 01:53:22,800
no I yeah again all I'm doing you know

2608
01:53:26,150 --> 01:53:24,510
this didn't take rocket science on my

2609
01:53:28,190 --> 01:53:26,160
part to suggest this this is just what

2610
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:28,200
you know because I in my real life if

2611
01:53:33,260 --> 01:53:30,330
there is such a thing I work with actual

2612
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:33,270
scientists and do data analysis and etc

2613
01:53:41,450 --> 01:53:35,850
and you know this is what goes on in

2614
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:41,460
that world so 10 solid years of 50 I

2615
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:45,930
think 50,000 word database anyway we

2616
01:53:50,510 --> 01:53:46,890
will talk later

2617
01:53:53,210 --> 01:53:50,520
I sent you stuff 20 years ago I'm not

2618
01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:53,220
sure if it ever got received but been

2619
01:53:57,770 --> 01:53:55,080
watching you from afar for a while

2620
01:54:00,110 --> 01:53:57,780
you're you're a guy that kind of stays

2621
01:54:02,540 --> 01:54:00,120
out of the limelight doesn't really you

2622
01:54:03,620 --> 01:54:02,550
know do a lot of public stuff but you

2623
01:54:05,420 --> 01:54:03,630
know you've been working behind the

2624
01:54:09,410 --> 01:54:05,430
scenes for a long time and I'm intrigued

2625
01:54:11,090 --> 01:54:09,420
by that there you go there you go so is

2626
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:11,100
gene yes

2627
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:15,810
from afar let me ask you here if after

2628
01:54:21,740 --> 01:54:17,970
all these years working with Center for

2629
01:54:24,530 --> 01:54:21,750
UFO studies do you have any expectations

2630
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:24,540
of what UFOs might really be

2631
01:54:30,330 --> 01:54:29,170
you know naturally well first of all I'm

2632
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:30,340
trying to think where to start that

2633
01:54:33,630 --> 01:54:31,690
because that's a that's a fair question

2634
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:33,640
but it's of course a you know a lot a

2635
01:54:40,340 --> 01:54:36,610
lot very large question in terms of

2636
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:40,350
putting my head around it is that

2637
01:54:47,010 --> 01:54:43,450
sightings that are unexplained many of

2638
01:54:50,340 --> 01:54:47,020
them to me unequivocally point to some

2639
01:54:55,110 --> 01:54:50,350
intelligence behind the phenomena that

2640
01:55:00,270 --> 01:54:55,120
is is sufficient to me to indicate how

2641
01:55:01,890 --> 01:55:00,280
important it is to study this because we

2642
01:55:04,290 --> 01:55:01,900
don't have the kind of data we're

2643
01:55:06,690 --> 01:55:04,300
talking about because so much of it is

2644
01:55:09,210 --> 01:55:06,700
anecdotal and because if this

2645
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:09,220
intelligence is incredibly advanced five

2646
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:10,810
hundred thousand years or the equivalent

2647
01:55:17,220 --> 01:55:14,050
or whatever who knows what and how they

2648
01:55:19,980 --> 01:55:17,230
can appear I'm not ready to leap forward

2649
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:19,990
and make too many assumptions about the

2650
01:55:24,210 --> 01:55:22,090
you know what ultimately is behind the

2651
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:24,220
intelligence but you know what I think

2652
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:28,080
mark I think you know a group of

2653
01:55:32,820 --> 01:55:30,370
civilizations has got together and

2654
01:55:34,830 --> 01:55:32,830
they've said well we've got this place

2655
01:55:36,620 --> 01:55:34,840
called Earth and you know all our kids

2656
01:55:39,210 --> 01:55:36,630
that have learning disabilities the

2657
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:39,220
autistic ones the ones that are maybe

2658
01:55:44,460 --> 01:55:41,890
kind of we'll send them there

2659
01:55:46,820 --> 01:55:44,470
and that'll be their training ground to

2660
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:46,830
be able to be you know the little

2661
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:49,210
ambassadors of space that we need them

2662
01:55:55,230 --> 01:55:51,490
to be so III think we've been a petri

2663
01:55:59,670 --> 01:55:55,240
dish for you know the the autistic kids

2664
01:56:01,830 --> 01:55:59,680
of several planetary systems so you know

2665
01:56:05,070 --> 01:56:01,840
I won't reject that because how hard you

2666
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:05,080
you know you just I love you too much to

2667
01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:08,770
reject it Chris but the but but the but

2668
01:56:15,570 --> 01:56:12,480
honestly almost anything is on the table

2669
01:56:17,220 --> 01:56:15,580
even valets control system is still on

2670
01:56:19,020 --> 01:56:17,230
the table even though he never found a

2671
01:56:20,430 --> 01:56:19,030
way to test it but it was it's an inner

2672
01:56:22,590 --> 01:56:20,440
and he's been kind of backing away from

2673
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:22,600
it for a while but but yeah you know

2674
01:56:29,070 --> 01:56:24,880
again but but anyway but but the thing

2675
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:29,080
is is that so I don't need valet to park

2676
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:34,570
that car probably not yes very good so

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pot you know it whatever the phrase is

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theater of the mind let me ask you a

2799
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question here mark which is another fly

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in the ointment question something like

2801
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this a detection station presupposes

2802
02:02:20,009 --> 02:02:16,530
UFOs are physical aircraft of some sort

2803
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:20,019
able to be photographed able to generate

2804
02:02:25,290 --> 02:02:22,570
something that you can detect so that

2805
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goes against anyone who thinks UFOs are

2806
02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:29,590
not physical right no I asked mark yes

2807
02:02:35,549 --> 02:02:31,690
well I'll be sure to see why Chris said

2808
02:02:38,790 --> 02:02:35,559
no but let me make a couple of points

2809
02:02:43,410 --> 02:02:38,800
about that there there is no reason to

2810
02:02:45,239 --> 02:02:43,420
believe that whatever is behind the UFO

2811
02:02:46,589 --> 02:02:45,249
phenomenon generating it this gets back

2812
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:46,599
to my hero there five hundred thousand

2813
02:02:50,069 --> 02:02:48,249
years advanced and who knows what's

2814
02:02:53,219 --> 02:02:50,079
really behind a curtain but what I

2815
02:02:57,750 --> 02:02:53,229
believe when people looked at the UFO

2816
02:03:00,419 --> 02:02:57,760
over United terminal C at O'Hare that

2817
02:03:03,239 --> 02:03:00,429
that something physical was there

2818
02:03:05,640 --> 02:03:03,249
meaning if you had taken a camera it

2819
02:03:07,649 --> 02:03:05,650
would have recorded an image if you

2820
02:03:08,580 --> 02:03:07,659
could measure energy coming from it it

2821
02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:08,590
will you would have measure energy

2822
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:11,110
coming from it you know that something

2823
02:03:16,529 --> 02:03:13,690
physical was there does that mean that

2824
02:03:18,870 --> 02:03:16,539
that physical thing was only there

2825
02:03:20,729 --> 02:03:18,880
briefly and that actually left our

2826
02:03:22,500 --> 02:03:20,739
universe whatever that means because of

2827
02:03:24,569 --> 02:03:22,510
the you know the technology available

2828
02:03:26,129 --> 02:03:24,579
maybe it maybe it was a projected

2829
02:03:28,410 --> 02:03:26,139
physical thing right because they're so

2830
02:03:30,330 --> 02:03:28,420
advanced but I do believe that you know

2831
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:30,340
whatever's going on is physical and

2832
02:03:36,149 --> 02:03:32,320
that's true by the way because I we are

2833
02:03:37,500 --> 02:03:36,159
agnostic in the UFO data project I want

2834
02:03:39,779 --> 02:03:37,510
to make that point really to the

2835
02:03:41,759 --> 02:03:39,789
listeners and everyone is that you know

2836
02:03:42,959 --> 02:03:41,769
I'm giving my personal views here but

2837
02:03:45,419 --> 02:03:42,969
the project is going to be run

2838
02:03:46,110 --> 02:03:45,429
scientifically if we study the phenomena

2839
02:03:48,540 --> 02:03:46,120
and every

2840
02:03:50,310 --> 02:03:48,550
thing turned out to be weird atmospheric

2841
02:03:52,380 --> 02:03:50,320
phenomena because of the physics we saw

2842
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:52,390
like people think Hess Stalin as

2843
02:03:56,820 --> 02:03:54,730
intriguing as it is might actually be

2844
02:03:58,680 --> 02:03:56,830
just really strange and unusual rare

2845
02:04:00,120 --> 02:03:58,690
atmospheric phenomena well that's what

2846
02:04:03,210 --> 02:04:00,130
happened that we that's that's what we

2847
02:04:05,240 --> 02:04:03,220
found you know maybe not quite as

2848
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:05,250
exciting as aliens but there you go

2849
02:04:12,090 --> 02:04:09,010
whatever it is if we find out what it is

2850
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:12,100
and you know it can sit there in front

2851
02:04:17,970 --> 02:04:15,040
of peer review for now until whenever I

2852
02:04:19,860 --> 02:04:17,980
mean I would love to find out if travel

2853
02:04:22,140 --> 02:04:19,870
James constable was correct and that

2854
02:04:24,420 --> 02:04:22,150
we're dealing with sky creatures well

2855
02:04:27,870 --> 02:04:24,430
that would be so cool to have that

2856
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:27,880
actually be you know percentage of UFO

2857
02:04:32,670 --> 02:04:29,890
sightings actual creatures that we have

2858
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:32,680
yet to identify and in define you know

2859
02:04:36,900 --> 02:04:34,960
whatever the truth is I mean that's cool

2860
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:36,910
I mean don't you think I mean is that

2861
02:04:42,180 --> 02:04:40,330
why science studies nature the truth is

2862
02:04:44,550 --> 02:04:42,190
cool I like the phrase and then that's

2863
02:04:46,230 --> 02:04:44,560
that's that's correct I mean yeah we

2864
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:46,240
just want to know you know what's going

2865
02:04:48,900 --> 02:04:46,810
on

2866
02:04:51,810 --> 02:04:48,910
what what's behind UFOs you know what's

2867
02:04:54,420 --> 02:04:51,820
causing them whatever that cause is you

2868
02:04:58,140 --> 02:04:54,430
know if the definition and the actual

2869
02:05:00,870 --> 02:04:58,150
proof of this has to be so elegant that

2870
02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:00,880
most people can't see the beauty so be

2871
02:05:04,170 --> 02:05:01,210
it

2872
02:05:05,460 --> 02:05:04,180
I want to bask in that elegance I can't

2873
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:05,470
improve on that phraseology

2874
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:07,360
I'm just being the host here with the

2875
02:05:12,900 --> 02:05:09,970
most I you know again you know I feel

2876
02:05:15,660 --> 02:05:12,910
like Leslie I'm a cheerleader for this

2877
02:05:18,090 --> 02:05:15,670
effort whatever I can do you know

2878
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:18,100
whatever anybody out there can do I mean

2879
02:05:23,550 --> 02:05:20,800
I signed up as a volunteer today I urge

2880
02:05:25,110 --> 02:05:23,560
everyone to go to UFO data if you're

2881
02:05:28,020 --> 02:05:25,120
interested in being part of the solution

2882
02:05:30,390 --> 02:05:28,030
and not just warming up that that

2883
02:05:31,860 --> 02:05:30,400
armchair there if you think you live in

2884
02:05:35,210 --> 02:05:31,870
a place that needs one of these

2885
02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:35,220
surveillance net nodes in the network

2886
02:05:40,740 --> 02:05:38,320
let's talk you've got some high-powered

2887
02:05:43,770 --> 02:05:40,750
people just go to the website and look

2888
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:43,780
at it the people that have publicly and

2889
02:05:48,360 --> 02:05:45,760
not so publicly stated their involvement

2890
02:05:51,540 --> 02:05:48,370
and I think you'll agree can I give out

2891
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:51,550
the website address it's us data I just

2892
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:53,410
want to also add to that though we've

2893
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:54,970
talked about volunteers but the other

2894
02:05:58,860 --> 02:05:57,280
thing we really need is financial

2895
02:06:00,420 --> 02:05:58,870
support well

2896
02:06:02,160 --> 02:06:00,430
that we'd been doing well on that front

2897
02:06:03,570 --> 02:06:02,170
but we need if we're going to have our

2898
02:06:05,790 --> 02:06:03,580
first station we're gonna need to reach

2899
02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:05,800
a certain financial goal and I just want

2900
02:06:10,740 --> 02:06:08,800
to emphasize that even small donations

2901
02:06:13,110 --> 02:06:10,750
make a huge difference because we can

2902
02:06:15,390 --> 02:06:13,120
get lots of small donations then we're

2903
02:06:17,700 --> 02:06:15,400
good so I hope that people will consider

2904
02:06:20,550 --> 02:06:17,710
going on the site and we have a very

2905
02:06:21,990 --> 02:06:20,560
easy way that people can contribute and

2906
02:06:24,570 --> 02:06:22,000
that's another important aspect of

2907
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:24,580
making things like this happen you have

2908
02:06:29,430 --> 02:06:26,800
to have a budget to do it and that's

2909
02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:29,440
just reality and so we want to ask

2910
02:06:33,690 --> 02:06:31,450
everybody else to take part in that as

2911
02:06:35,580 --> 02:06:33,700
well do you already have a budget in

2912
02:06:38,130 --> 02:06:35,590
mind for how much money you'd like to

2913
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:38,140
raise for this well the first phase

2914
02:06:43,710 --> 02:06:40,570
thirty to forty thousand I think would

2915
02:06:45,390 --> 02:06:43,720
be adequate to pay for the equipment to

2916
02:06:47,370 --> 02:06:45,400
pay for you know all the development

2917
02:06:49,020 --> 02:06:47,380
costs to pay for travel for team members

2918
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:49,030
to get together to build the station

2919
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:50,770
right you know there's all that stuff

2920
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:54,250
the equipment by the way will be less

2921
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:56,050
than fifty percent of the total cost

2922
02:07:01,890 --> 02:06:58,560
it's it's the Associated logistics are

2923
02:07:04,740 --> 02:07:01,900
naturally that are going to be more

2924
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:04,750
costly but not too costly so so Jean

2925
02:07:08,790 --> 02:07:06,730
that's that's kind of our ballpark for

2926
02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:08,800
the first phase when you're gonna go

2927
02:07:14,820 --> 02:07:12,880
visit yuri yuri milner well maybe after

2928
02:07:16,440 --> 02:07:14,830
we've got some data or after we've got

2929
02:07:18,090 --> 02:07:16,450
our first station see well don't take it

2930
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:18,100
the first station up and we hope to

2931
02:07:22,650 --> 02:07:20,770
achieve at least something that shows

2932
02:07:24,630 --> 02:07:22,660
that it's working to capture something

2933
02:07:26,430 --> 02:07:24,640
interesting to show that the equipment

2934
02:07:29,700 --> 02:07:26,440
works and we're really on our way and

2935
02:07:32,430 --> 02:07:29,710
then I think the plan is to have another

2936
02:07:34,740 --> 02:07:32,440
do a crowdfunding campaign and do

2937
02:07:36,150 --> 02:07:34,750
another major effort at fundraising when

2938
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:36,160
we get to that point which is going to

2939
02:07:40,410 --> 02:07:38,170
be bigger than the one we're doing now

2940
02:07:41,880 --> 02:07:40,420
and that's when we can consider

2941
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approaching people like Yuri and other

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other people we want to have something

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to bring to them first

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yeah well for some of our listeners who

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are not aware of who billionaire Yuri

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Milner is last summer he pledged a

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hundred million dollars to quote

2948
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reinvigorate this search for life in the

2949
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universe I mean this is totally you know

2950
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running roughshod over

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SETI's long calcified effort you know

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we're talking eight figures here this

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kind of investment into

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the concept of reinvigorating the search

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for life in the universe I mean if

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people of those means are willing to get

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behind it III see this particular

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project UFO data and other you know

2959
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grassroots project like that to be well

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positioned to have a lot of people

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opening up their pockets and becoming

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involved I think the involvement aspect

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money is important but you got to have a

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good team functioning underneath you

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that's that's catching everything and

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putting the time in yeah well I think

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we've got that and we're that team is

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growing all the time and we've got some

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very very interesting people who have

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been approaching us and very significant

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people who eventually may be joining the

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group in various capacities so we a lot

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of really good things are happening good

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people good team being formed can you

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tell us at this particular point in time

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some of the people who are involved

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maybe profile them quickly well mark go

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ahead yeah well on the science side we

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mentioned Robert Paul from you founded a

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director in terms of people who are a

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little less well known and you know in

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the UFO field too at least everyone we

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have a man's bro for example Anne's bro

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is an astronomer also a an inventor he

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lives in Ireland

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he's been has his own Observatory where

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he not only does astronomical research

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but he tries to detect UFOs mostly with

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the cameras and he's been doing this for

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years and his head has you know

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photographed a couple of intriguing

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things also does some kind of you know

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close SETI observation in fact he calls

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what he does

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SETI research and managed to to sneak

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sneak quote-unquote into a SETI

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conference to give a presentation which

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upset the organisers no n but he's got

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[Music]

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hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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on the power cast this week talking

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about UFO data it's UFO data dotnet by

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the way so check it out they do take

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donations they're you thinking about

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maybe doing like a GoFundMe campaign

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that would be a way to raise some money

3126
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yes we're going to do probably either

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IndieGoGo or Kickstarter though who

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knows what will pop up in the next year

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and then will you you know we use that

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platform instead but we don't we do not

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expect even though we're hopeful that a

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Yuri Milner equivalent will pop up and

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give us you know a million dollars or so

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but we will not turn it down well we may

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have a smaller version if somebody gives

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us a smaller amount we don't require as

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much so it's as far as we're concerned

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that could be our yuri milner

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i also wanted to say that our

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organization is a 501c3 nonprofit

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organization so any donations that are

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given are fully tax-deductible and that

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makes it more possible for people to

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give larger donations they're completely

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tax-deductible so you were uncaught up

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in the IRS stuff with regard to

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political parties where allegedly with

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political action groups they had all

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sorts of stuff going on not getting

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approval that's mostly non sensitive no

3151
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we're not a political group so that

3152
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makes it easier Chris you got some

3153
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questions from listeners we should bring

3154
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up now oh man we don't have near the

3155
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time yeah there's some really good

3156
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questions here here here's one from

3157
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techno mage just to give you kind of a

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sense of you know obvious concerns that

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I think a lot of people will have

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wouldn't summon rich who was interested

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in UFOs like Robert Bigelow wanted to

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contribute to the project or is the

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problem that he can't control the

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findings I mean this goes right back to

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what we were just discussing Leslie if

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we bring in

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some fat-cat or is it all strings

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unattached there's no control everything

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is transparent how do you go about I

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guess qualifying that kind of funding

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well I think our board of directors

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would would have to speak at length with

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the donor and really get to know the

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person and feel comfortable and

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understand what their motivations were

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and it's really just a matter of

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assessing who the person is and then

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being very clear as to what their role

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will be in the organization once they do

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make their contribution so someone that

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approach is saying well everyone's gonna

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have to sign NDA's and all the

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information so you are looking for a

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truly transparent

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I have heard absolutely there's

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absolutely no question about that no

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amount of money is going to change the

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integrity of what we love how we're

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going about we're doing no no no no

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we're not we're we can't be bought okay

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not like the FAA or if some people would

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say MUFON well that's good that's good

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right at the pulse I think of the

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really an integral person that could

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questions like this one from Alien

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Hunter it's it's like you know why are

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you doing this his question is what sort

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of outcome are you expecting to get by

3205
02:18:55,849 --> 02:18:53,579
recording UFOs it might show us a lot

3206
02:18:57,859 --> 02:18:55,859
more evidence of unknown craft but it

3207
02:19:00,769 --> 02:18:57,869
still doesn't tell us the source of this

3208
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:00,779
phenomenon what can your technology and

3209
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:03,359
these monitoring stations do to give us

3210
02:19:08,540 --> 02:19:05,840
a more detailed look at these crafts

3211
02:19:10,850 --> 02:19:08,550
mark you wanna grab that one or yeah

3212
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:10,860
it's a reasonable question

3213
02:19:18,740 --> 02:19:15,840
and the the truth is that science

3214
02:19:21,050 --> 02:19:18,750
advances you know not just one step at a

3215
02:19:24,890 --> 02:19:21,060
time but not necessarily giant leaps at

3216
02:19:27,470 --> 02:19:24,900
a time to the endpoint so we're so far

3217
02:19:30,169 --> 02:19:27,480
back right now in our study of the of

3218
02:19:32,180 --> 02:19:30,179
the physical side of UFOs that we really

3219
02:19:34,850 --> 02:19:32,190
are almost in the proto science stage

3220
02:19:38,150 --> 02:19:34,860
right with very little data so what we

3221
02:19:41,870 --> 02:19:38,160
need to do is move on you know to to

3222
02:19:43,820 --> 02:19:41,880
gather appropriate reliable data to

3223
02:19:45,140 --> 02:19:43,830
measure what we've got and you will

3224
02:19:47,570 --> 02:19:45,150
learn more you know if you measure the

3225
02:19:49,730 --> 02:19:47,580
spectrum of a UFO you'll know things

3226
02:19:52,490 --> 02:19:49,740
about what energy is submitting and that

3227
02:19:54,350 --> 02:19:52,500
may be a recent example would be the

3228
02:19:56,420 --> 02:19:54,360
rocket launch off LA and then the other

3229
02:19:58,370 --> 02:19:56,430
one off San Francisco let's imagine that

3230
02:20:00,440 --> 02:19:58,380
for some reason the government said to

3231
02:20:03,020 --> 02:20:00,450
us we don't know what this was we didn't

3232
02:20:06,020 --> 02:20:03,030
launch a missile no one of our stations

3233
02:20:07,970 --> 02:20:06,030
they're looking at that rocket launch

3234
02:20:11,301 --> 02:20:07,980
and taking a spectra of the rocket

3235
02:20:12,950 --> 02:20:11,311
exhaust could tell us what chemicals and

3236
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:12,960
elements were being used in that rocket

3237
02:20:16,580 --> 02:20:14,850
exhaust and we would know that there was

3238
02:20:17,720 --> 02:20:16,590
conventional chemical propellants being

3239
02:20:19,340 --> 02:20:17,730
used or whatever the exact

3240
02:20:21,380 --> 02:20:19,350
specifications are whether it's liquid

3241
02:20:23,870 --> 02:20:21,390
or solid fuel well that's what you can

3242
02:20:26,270 --> 02:20:23,880
do with a with science we're trying to

3243
02:20:28,011 --> 02:20:26,280
do the equivalent with this but are we

3244
02:20:30,350 --> 02:20:28,021
going to know ultimately you know what's

3245
02:20:32,570 --> 02:20:30,360
going on inside a UFO if there's a craft

3246
02:20:34,580 --> 02:20:32,580
there and all that no no of course not

3247
02:20:37,011 --> 02:20:34,590
but we're going to take the you know

3248
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:37,021
some very critical next steps in

3249
02:20:42,920 --> 02:20:39,930
understanding the phenomena okay that

3250
02:20:48,710 --> 02:20:42,930
kind of leads to this next question by

3251
02:20:52,930 --> 02:20:48,720
Ravens fee and it goes to you know I

3252
02:20:55,640 --> 02:20:52,940
guess a foundational presence

3253
02:21:00,770 --> 02:20:55,650
philosophically that the project is

3254
02:21:03,080 --> 02:21:00,780
going to have to you know state and the

3255
02:21:06,770 --> 02:21:03,090
question runs to that how have you tried

3256
02:21:09,020 --> 02:21:06,780
to prevent any biases you may have about

3257
02:21:11,900 --> 02:21:09,030
the cause of this phenomenon from

3258
02:21:15,470 --> 02:21:11,910
influencing the data you are about to

3259
02:21:17,450 --> 02:21:15,480
collect or even how its collected are

3260
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:17,460
you just trying to improve that we're

3261
02:21:23,301 --> 02:21:19,920
being visited by extraterrestrials or

3262
02:21:23,819 --> 02:21:23,311
our other hypotheses influencing this

3263
02:21:28,679 --> 02:21:23,829
work

3264
02:21:30,689 --> 02:21:28,689
the the the way that you can collect and

3265
02:21:34,019 --> 02:21:30,699
measure data and develop your

3266
02:21:39,210 --> 02:21:34,029
instruments absolutely can be affected

3267
02:21:41,790 --> 02:21:39,220
by your own predilections and biases if

3268
02:21:46,050 --> 02:21:41,800
you want to use that word that is though

3269
02:21:48,029 --> 02:21:46,060
much more common in the social sciences

3270
02:21:51,149 --> 02:21:48,039
psychology sociology and all that than

3271
02:21:53,609 --> 02:21:51,159
the physical sciences and the the reason

3272
02:21:56,490 --> 02:21:53,619
is simple if we take a magnetometer out

3273
02:21:58,439 --> 02:21:56,500
and it's well calibrated and you put it

3274
02:22:00,120 --> 02:21:58,449
out in the field and to measure anything

3275
02:22:03,479 --> 02:22:00,130
you know doesn't it be a UFO you measure

3276
02:22:06,179 --> 02:22:03,489
something there and you get data you

3277
02:22:08,069 --> 02:22:06,189
have the data now the interpretation of

3278
02:22:09,540 --> 02:22:08,079
the data is a different matter but as I

3279
02:22:11,340 --> 02:22:09,550
think you said before Chris you know we

3280
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the data are the data are the data and

3281
02:22:16,050 --> 02:22:13,359
that's fundamentally we're going to do

3282
02:22:18,929 --> 02:22:16,060
is collect data with calibrated

3283
02:22:21,090 --> 02:22:18,939
instruments where our biases really

3284
02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:21,100
can't directly enter into that

3285
02:22:27,800 --> 02:22:25,090
collection what comes after that you

3286
02:22:31,080 --> 02:22:27,810
know let's say we measure some strange

3287
02:22:34,139 --> 02:22:31,090
weird you know spectrum and plasm of

3288
02:22:36,719 --> 02:22:34,149
physics going on in the phenomena okay

3289
02:22:38,490 --> 02:22:36,729
now comes the bias potential which is

3290
02:22:39,719 --> 02:22:38,500
well what's the cause of that plasma

3291
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:39,729
physics strange thing that we're

3292
02:22:42,990 --> 02:22:41,770
measuring some people might say well

3293
02:22:44,849 --> 02:22:43,000
that's the exhaust of an alien

3294
02:22:46,349 --> 02:22:44,859
spacecraft and others might say

3295
02:22:48,450 --> 02:22:46,359
something different but that's

3296
02:22:52,050 --> 02:22:48,460
downstream you know that's not this the

3297
02:22:54,750 --> 02:22:52,060
part of the the actual scientific study

3298
02:22:57,179 --> 02:22:54,760
collect data measure it you know record

3299
02:22:59,639 --> 02:22:57,189
and all the rest and you know we're just

3300
02:23:01,859 --> 02:22:59,649
gonna go about this as I said like I do

3301
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in my in my other life like actually

3302
02:23:07,260 --> 02:23:04,329
everybody in the project on the core

3303
02:23:09,809 --> 02:23:07,270
team has done science outside of UFOs

3304
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:09,819
and so we're gonna treat this like we

3305
02:23:13,889 --> 02:23:11,770
would any other project we do don't

3306
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assume anything

3307
02:23:19,290 --> 02:23:16,539
it's right sure just go out you know set

3308
02:23:20,939 --> 02:23:19,300
the thing up and start measuring and you

3309
02:23:23,689 --> 02:23:20,949
wait for the answers and hope they are

3310
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answers at least you could figure out

3311
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,489
right I mean the thing is is that if

3312
02:23:31,649 --> 02:23:29,680
something appears in front of our

3313
02:23:35,550 --> 02:23:31,659
station we will measure things about

3314
02:23:37,529 --> 02:23:35,560
that will that be enough for us to you

3315
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know learn something truly fundamental

3316
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:37,750
of

3317
02:23:43,950 --> 02:23:40,000
the phenomena we just don't know we'll

3318
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find out yeah no one's tried so you know

3319
02:23:49,139 --> 02:23:46,000
we don't really know until we actually

3320
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put the effort in and actually produce

3321
02:23:56,729 --> 02:23:52,359
something that's worthy of peer review

3322
02:24:00,090 --> 02:23:56,739
and you know I ideally is the data is

3323
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collected in unassailable ways that

3324
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cannot be besmirched by naysayers

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debunkers roadblocks blah blah blah if

3326
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it's impeccable the data should reflect

3327
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that I'm going to ask a question about

3328
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skeptical reaction in a moment our next

3329
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final segment with Mark rot occur

3330
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the parrot job Chris is doing some kind

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of semi trickster ish voice there I

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of these fly in the ointment questions

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mark would you bring in a skeptic or

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debunker to help you set something like

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this up and also to review the evidence

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so they could say well you know give

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their take on it and actually see

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evidence rather than just dismiss

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everything outright is they so often do

3461
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right my answer is probably no I I would

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look to parapsychology for my model you

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know I'm a member of the Society for

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scientific exploration and actually an

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associate editor of the journal and so

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I'm very familiar with how

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parapsychologist operated the best ones

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and there are as you guys know there are

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there are many that are quite rigorous

3470
02:29:54,750 --> 02:29:51,790
what they do is do the equipment of what

3471
02:29:56,250 --> 02:29:54,760
we're going to attempt which is they do

3472
02:29:59,190 --> 02:29:56,260
experiments they can do them in the lab

3473
02:30:02,219 --> 02:29:59,200
fortunately and measure the data

3474
02:30:03,360 --> 02:30:02,229
rigorously publish the papers and then

3475
02:30:05,700 --> 02:30:03,370
and this is what I'm getting to

3476
02:30:07,950 --> 02:30:05,710
they will work with skeptics that have

3477
02:30:10,080 --> 02:30:07,960
questions they will show them their

3478
02:30:11,250 --> 02:30:10,090
protocols they will open up their books

3479
02:30:13,229 --> 02:30:11,260
to them as it were you know the

3480
02:30:17,429 --> 02:30:13,239
transparency that that Leslie mentioned

3481
02:30:19,769 --> 02:30:17,439
that's our plan there's no need to work

3482
02:30:22,229 --> 02:30:19,779
directly with skeptics if we follow

3483
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:22,239
standard scientific protocols but

3484
02:30:27,059 --> 02:30:25,120
there's every reason to then work with

3485
02:30:28,830 --> 02:30:27,069
potential critics and all that who after

3486
02:30:30,870 --> 02:30:28,840
they look at our data still have

3487
02:30:33,719 --> 02:30:30,880
questions about okay what about this

3488
02:30:35,670 --> 02:30:33,729
what about this fine let's talk you know

3489
02:30:39,240 --> 02:30:35,680
let's do that so that that's my my take

3490
02:30:42,540 --> 02:30:39,250
in mark you know pretty much almost

3491
02:30:45,630 --> 02:30:42,550
every area that some sort of skeptical

3492
02:30:48,090 --> 02:30:45,640
debunk or type could assail the

3493
02:30:51,479 --> 02:30:48,100
gathering of the data so you are already

3494
02:30:53,650 --> 02:30:51,489
forced to be a skeptic to adhere to the

3495
02:30:55,900 --> 02:30:53,660
rigors of peer review so

3496
02:30:59,440 --> 02:30:55,910
you're gonna collect the data as you

3497
02:31:02,051 --> 02:30:59,450
know as pristinely as possible and and

3498
02:31:04,301 --> 02:31:02,061
come up with elegant analysis of that

3499
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:04,311
data I'm sure that's what we're

3500
02:31:09,910 --> 02:31:08,000
expecting Chris any more questions to

3501
02:31:11,770 --> 02:31:09,920
ask in the remaining 7 minutes or so

3502
02:31:14,100 --> 02:31:11,780
yeah we do

3503
02:31:17,950 --> 02:31:14,110
you know this whole undercurrent of

3504
02:31:21,011 --> 02:31:17,960
classified black projects and testing

3505
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:21,021
secret but operational aerial technology

3506
02:31:27,011 --> 02:31:24,650
and psychotronic weapons platforms

3507
02:31:29,470 --> 02:31:27,021
that's kind of an undercurrent here at

3508
02:31:33,580 --> 02:31:29,480
the para cast we're always interested in

3509
02:31:37,180 --> 02:31:33,590
how the clandestine sort of black world

3510
02:31:41,560 --> 02:31:37,190
meshes technologically with you know

3511
02:31:44,710 --> 02:31:41,570
what is considered to be the aao UAP UFO

3512
02:31:46,660 --> 02:31:44,720
phenomena and so we obviously have had a

3513
02:31:48,790 --> 02:31:46,670
number of questions relating to that

3514
02:31:51,310 --> 02:31:48,800
this one again it is from Ravens feet

3515
02:31:53,920 --> 02:31:51,320
and she's wondering anomalous aerial

3516
02:31:56,170 --> 02:31:53,930
phenomenon happening in locations near

3517
02:31:58,600 --> 02:31:56,180
to highly secretive areas under the

3518
02:32:00,551 --> 02:31:58,610
control of US state bodies is a

3519
02:32:03,761 --> 02:32:00,561
well-established part of the modern-day

3520
02:32:05,591 --> 02:32:03,771
UFO lore what consideration have you

3521
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:05,601
given to taking your data collection

3522
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:09,290
units to sensitive military areas and

3523
02:32:12,881 --> 02:32:10,570
the read

3524
02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:12,891
she says the reaction of the US

3525
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:14,330
government I would say potential

3526
02:32:19,720 --> 02:32:16,570
reaction of the US government or

3527
02:32:21,970 --> 02:32:19,730
potentially other foreign bodies if you

3528
02:32:26,020 --> 02:32:21,980
did this especially if you started to

3529
02:32:28,591 --> 02:32:26,030
pick up date of something unusual in

3530
02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:28,601
other words to paraphrase our our

3531
02:32:36,490 --> 02:32:32,570
sensitive military installations part of

3532
02:32:40,240 --> 02:32:36,500
the monitoring potential monitoring map

3533
02:32:42,610 --> 02:32:40,250
or scenario of locations they aren't off

3534
02:32:44,500 --> 02:32:42,620
the table but they wouldn't be a first

3535
02:32:46,480 --> 02:32:44,510
choice for a variety of reasons

3536
02:32:49,841 --> 02:32:46,490
including just the idea that we are

3537
02:32:52,990 --> 02:32:49,851
trying to for I think plausible reasons

3538
02:32:55,000 --> 02:32:53,000
treat this as a study of the what

3539
02:32:56,350 --> 02:32:55,010
everybody thinks of is the UFO phenomena

3540
02:32:58,120 --> 02:32:56,360
you know the stuff out there that's not

3541
02:33:00,810 --> 02:32:58,130
ours whatever that whatever's going on

3542
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:00,820
it's not ours well have we determined

3543
02:33:05,440 --> 02:33:04,010
where that line is no we haven't but it

3544
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:05,450
but if you push your if you put your

3545
02:33:08,689 --> 02:33:07,439
device there area 51 or

3546
02:33:11,389 --> 02:33:08,699
you know where other secret

3547
02:33:13,370 --> 02:33:11,399
installations are you're going to ramp

3548
02:33:15,529 --> 02:33:13,380
up the probability dramatically that

3549
02:33:17,269 --> 02:33:15,539
what you're detecting is the stuff that

3550
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:17,279
we've developed even if it's incredibly

3551
02:33:22,130 --> 02:33:18,810
strange like you were mentioning Chris

3552
02:33:24,849 --> 02:33:22,140
it's still ours and how do we know where

3553
02:33:28,729 --> 02:33:24,859
that that line is scientifically

3554
02:33:31,580 --> 02:33:28,739
shouldn't you be able to ideally be in a

3555
02:33:34,729 --> 02:33:31,590
position to determine if it's classified

3556
02:33:39,080 --> 02:33:34,739
secret budget and ours that's you know a

3557
02:33:42,229 --> 02:33:39,090
and if it's hyperdimensional off planet

3558
02:33:45,649 --> 02:33:42,239
Time Traveller's something that's not us

3559
02:33:48,679 --> 02:33:45,659
here and this time continuum is it be it

3560
02:33:52,580 --> 02:33:48,689
shouldn't that be an important initial

3561
02:33:54,949 --> 02:33:52,590
goal and what we're dealing whether are

3562
02:33:57,469 --> 02:33:54,959
we gonna just kind of what if our way

3563
02:34:01,130 --> 02:33:57,479
all through the beginning stages of ID

3564
02:34:03,830 --> 02:34:01,140
in these craft through hard data well

3565
02:34:07,969 --> 02:34:03,840
here's the thing I'm not opposed in the

3566
02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:07,979
long run to placing stations everywhere

3567
02:34:14,269 --> 02:34:10,890
okay as we talked about earlier you know

3568
02:34:16,279 --> 02:34:14,279
making the low cost station that people

3569
02:34:19,790 --> 02:34:16,289
can actually purchase and run as part of

3570
02:34:21,649 --> 02:34:19,800
a network so in the long run I'm for

3571
02:34:24,290 --> 02:34:21,659
more surveillance and more measuring a

3572
02:34:27,620 --> 02:34:24,300
potential UFOs you know in the short run

3573
02:34:29,870 --> 02:34:27,630
I you know we have to make choices and

3574
02:34:32,090 --> 02:34:29,880
I'm pretty sure that the might the team

3575
02:34:33,529 --> 02:34:32,100
members that we and we've talked about

3576
02:34:36,469 --> 02:34:33,539
it are going to go along with my

3577
02:34:40,370 --> 02:34:36,479
strategy that I'm suggesting which is

3578
02:34:43,910 --> 02:34:40,380
that we'd rather not try to you know mix

3579
02:34:46,429 --> 02:34:43,920
up as it were very likely terrestrial

3580
02:34:49,250 --> 02:34:46,439
devices however esoteric they are with

3581
02:34:52,130 --> 02:34:49,260
things that are more again of the the

3582
02:34:54,380 --> 02:34:52,140
kind of the UFO UAP ilk that we know we

3583
02:34:58,540 --> 02:34:54,390
think of I can appreciate that but have

3584
02:35:01,250 --> 02:34:58,550
you noticed that most of the areas where

3585
02:35:03,830 --> 02:35:01,260
this type of aerial activity is

3586
02:35:07,250 --> 02:35:03,840
predominant and tends to ebb and flow

3587
02:35:09,500 --> 02:35:07,260
more frequently than other areas there

3588
02:35:13,069 --> 02:35:09,510
are seems to be a nearby military

3589
02:35:15,729 --> 02:35:13,079
presence there seems to be traditions of

3590
02:35:18,620 --> 02:35:15,739
sacredness by the indigenous populations

3591
02:35:20,809 --> 02:35:18,630
there tends to be having employing waves

3592
02:35:24,579 --> 02:35:20,819
of anomalous activity

3593
02:35:27,619 --> 02:35:24,589
you almost always see an accompanying

3594
02:35:31,819 --> 02:35:27,629
military slash government slash covert

3595
02:35:34,819 --> 02:35:31,829
black ops presence so to me it's almost

3596
02:35:37,550 --> 02:35:34,829
built into this scenario you can't avoid

3597
02:35:42,010 --> 02:35:37,560
it you can't say well we'll go down to

3598
02:35:46,939 --> 02:35:42,020
you know eastern Texas or we'll go to

3599
02:35:49,219 --> 02:35:46,949
you know somewhere in Katmandu or you

3600
02:35:52,809 --> 02:35:49,229
know you're always gonna have a military

3601
02:35:56,479 --> 02:35:52,819
and military presence and my point is in

3602
02:36:00,170 --> 02:35:56,489
North America the major hotspot areas

3603
02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:00,180
that deserve the type of 24/7 coverage

3604
02:36:05,239 --> 02:36:02,850
that the UFO data project would provide

3605
02:36:07,909 --> 02:36:05,249
I can almost guarantee you that every

3606
02:36:09,469 --> 02:36:07,919
one of them has some sort of government

3607
02:36:11,029 --> 02:36:09,479
involvement you know that may well be

3608
02:36:14,119 --> 02:36:11,039
true course I mean if you look at the

3609
02:36:17,090 --> 02:36:14,129
the the the a large boomerang case

3610
02:36:20,449 --> 02:36:17,100
through st. Louis back around was around

3611
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:20,459
2000 or so you know Scott Air Force Base

3612
02:36:23,899 --> 02:36:22,319
was nearby now well you know what was

3613
02:36:27,050 --> 02:36:23,909
Scott Air Force Base involved with that

3614
02:36:29,090 --> 02:36:27,060
you know who knows but my point is is

3615
02:36:31,010 --> 02:36:29,100
that you know the United States is rife

3616
02:36:33,590 --> 02:36:31,020
with military bases even after the so

3617
02:36:35,949 --> 02:36:33,600
many were decommissioned you know back

3618
02:36:38,869 --> 02:36:35,959
in the edges that for the Cold War and

3619
02:36:40,849 --> 02:36:38,879
because there are somebody you know

3620
02:36:44,149 --> 02:36:40,859
levels of military bases here of all

3621
02:36:46,699 --> 02:36:44,159
types naturally when a sighting occurs

3622
02:36:48,409 --> 02:36:46,709
you you're you're close enough for that

3623
02:36:51,050 --> 02:36:48,419
for that you know to them to be another

3624
02:36:53,689 --> 02:36:51,060
component of it so I agree with that you

3625
02:36:56,809 --> 02:36:53,699
that point you're making but you know in

3626
02:37:01,130 --> 02:36:56,819
other words I'm just suggesting you know

3627
02:37:05,300 --> 02:37:01,140
an extra sort of buffer layer of real

3628
02:37:07,880 --> 02:37:05,310
time analysis for what it's worth you

3629
02:37:09,769 --> 02:37:07,890
know an event happens you have a certain

3630
02:37:12,769 --> 02:37:09,779
amount of time to respond to that event

3631
02:37:15,790 --> 02:37:12,779
to determine basic general assumptions

3632
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:15,800
that you can rely on that sort of thing

3633
02:37:21,469 --> 02:37:19,050
to be able to do that real time

3634
02:37:23,090 --> 02:37:21,479
especially when you're around any sort

3635
02:37:25,429 --> 02:37:23,100
of government or military installation

3636
02:37:27,469 --> 02:37:25,439
mark we're just about a half time here

3637
02:37:28,939 --> 02:37:27,479
can you possibly give our listeners some

3638
02:37:32,179 --> 02:37:28,949
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3639
02:37:34,551 --> 02:37:32,189
about UFO data if there are justed

3640
02:37:36,741 --> 02:37:34,561
please go to UFO Datanet the web

3641
02:37:39,140 --> 02:37:36,751
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3642
02:37:41,211 --> 02:37:39,150
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3667
02:38:41,241 --> 02:38:38,671
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3668
02:38:43,341 --> 02:38:41,251
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3669
02:38:43,640 --> 02:38:43,351
having us gene Chris really appreciate

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3672
02:38:58,630 --> 02:38:56,869
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02:39:01,750 --> 02:38:58,640
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